baz-R
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| posted on 11/11/13 at 02:36 AM |
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how do msa "class" a locost?
im intersted in hillclimbing and sprinting my car
now i know the rules are slightly diffrent for each disiplin but what class of car do msa put locosts in? like in 750mc
from what i read im thinking sports libra is where thay all fall and this not only makes a heap of extra safety regs apply to my car but also
everything else is non road going racers in this class.
where as other very low volume kits seem are in lower classes like sylva riots,westys etc. when i visit events?
i cant see sylva make 20 identical roits a year?
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dhutch
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| posted on 11/11/13 at 04:54 AM |
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I will be interested in the reply, but my only real suggestion is the speak to the organiser of the particular events(s) you wish to enter. Not done
and sprints/hillclimbing yet, not for the lack of trying by various wscc sprintseries members!
For autotesting/autosolo I normally end up in the catch-all class as the bottom. Although my local club let me run according to by wheelbase as due to
being long, limited weight on the rear wheels, with an open diff, I tend not to place that highly on there grass (summer) and slippy wet tarmac
(winter) events.
Daniel
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jeffw
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| posted on 11/11/13 at 06:25 AM |
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Typically (and this does vary per region) there are two sets of classes for Kit Cars. These are road-legal Kits (A7 and A8 in my region) upto 1700cc
and then over 1700cc, this class often includes other small run specialist sports cars like VX220s/Elise/Exige etc. The limitation here is you must
use road-legal tyres either from list 1A or, more usual, list 1B.
The 2nd class would be Sports Libre (upto 1700 and over again) in which there will be non-road legal kits and all sorts of race cars on slicks.
[Edited on 11/11/13 by jeffw]
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daniel mason
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| posted on 11/11/13 at 07:07 AM |
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modified specialist production if not road legal,and on slicks i would say.not sports libre!
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AdrianH
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| posted on 11/11/13 at 08:10 AM |
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Try for class 2D, but watch out for others dropping into the class from higher. But it is a way to try.
Still need to pass scrut but with a few mods mine did.
Adrian
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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lsdweb
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| posted on 11/11/13 at 08:31 AM |
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Individual championships tend to vary / evolve over time but here's what we do in the Welsh Championship (I run the championship) -
Road going specialist production cars (up to 1700cc and over 1700cc.) in the if you are road going - taxed, MOTd, 1A or 1B tyres and reverse gear.
For non road going it's Modified Production Kit, Replica, Space-framed cars with single engines up to 1800cc.
and Modified Production Kit, Replica, Space-framed cars with single engines over 1800cc.
Regards
Wyn
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iank
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| posted on 11/11/13 at 08:49 AM |
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The problem for true locosts in a lot of championships is the chassis is home built rather then manufactured by a company. So strictly they
aren't "kits" and can fall by default in with the one off race specials of libre rather than "production" just from the
wording.
Wyn seems to have got the wording fair and you end up racing with similar machines, but not all are so sensible.
[Edited on 11/11/13 by iank]
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Anonymous
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greed1
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| posted on 11/11/13 at 01:59 PM |
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I was in class 4a mod kit and replica cars this year, but next year the class rules are changing so I can go in 2a road going kit and replica upto 1.7
(without windscreen) at Curborough sprint course.
Be worth checking with your local track, they may also have a practice day before the season starts and should be able to advise you then.
[Edited on 11/11/13 by greed1]
Drive it stright sideways
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AdrianH
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| posted on 11/11/13 at 06:03 PM |
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Some of the classes I think 2A and 2 B requires full windscreens, well up in the North West anyway as part of the Midland & Northern Speed
Classes.
2D was a catch all from the 2's
> 2D: All Road-going Specialist Cars that are not eligible for Classes
> 2A, 2B or 2C
Just have fun, unless you have a lot of money, in which case take it seriously.
Adrian
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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lucy
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| posted on 18/11/13 at 10:39 PM |
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I think it's 20 chassis per year rather than identical cars.
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phelpsa
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| posted on 19/11/13 at 02:31 AM |
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There are two categories of production derived cars in speed events.
1) Production cars - 1000 cars manufactured minimum
2) Specialist Production cars - 20 chassis manufactured in any consecutive 12 months.
Each of these are split into Road-going and Modified.
It doesn't matter what event it is, what the classes are called or what the specific regulations say, these categories and their associated
regulations are mandatory at all MSA sanctioned events.
This means that if your car has a home built chassis, it is not a production car and should not really run in production classes anywhere. Sports
libre would be the appropriate category.
HOWEVER, if you're just out for a bit of fun you're unlikely to be flagged up for it.
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