ian locostzx9rc2
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 04:09 PM |
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is it me or is everyone power crazied
I think a seven style car with a reliable max of 150 bhp more than enough to keep people happy on the road and track days it's much more fun
trying to stay with people on track days with way more power...or am I missing something....
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zilspeed
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 04:32 PM |
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You're dead right.
Time was when 165bhp of 1700 steel xflow was considered the absolute ultimate giant slayer.
Now, it seems that's the starting point.
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Dopdog
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 04:37 PM |
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Its an age thing Ian, like music if its too loud you are too old
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ian locostzx9rc2
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 04:43 PM |
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Cheers simon
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kingster996
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 04:48 PM |
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Funny you should say this, but I am looking at speccing my engine now - and originally figured 150bhp would be plenty after a blat in a Caterham of
that order.
Then you start talking about it and all of a sudden it's 200bhp is not enough!
I am settling on between 150 and 200 as a 'ballpark' - mainly due to the added cost of drivetrain upgrades (have a type 9) once you go
over 200 (apparently!).
Anyway - as long as it's fun who cares!
I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure
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snapper
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 04:49 PM |
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There is in my mind the possibility of to much power, that is to say that you spend to much time feathering the throttle and being wary of planting
your foot.
I am running a standard Pinto at the moment and it's not enough, nearly finished rebuilding the 2.1 with about 130bhp that should be adequate
and will fix up the higher powered 1 and let you know
I do hanker after a Duratec thought ® that will have 200bhp with ease
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steve m
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 04:50 PM |
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I agree, I still run a xflow, and the current one is only a 1630 and about 110bhp
My 1691 at 145bhp was brilliant but unreliable on twin 40's and very thirsty
I put more effort into weight saving now against power and over the last few years have cut about 30kgs plus, out of my car by cutting of wasted
threads on bolts etc and the wheels I currently have, superlights and 4 of them weigh the same as one of the old capri wheels
It could be an age thing, as I got slippers for xmas !
[Edited on 21/7/14 by steve m]
Thats was probably spelt wrong, or had some grammer, that the "grammer police have to have a moan at
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zilspeed
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 04:54 PM |
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Having briefly had tenure of an Audi TT, earlier this year, I quickly came to the conclusion that I shouldn't use most of the performance most
of the time in that.
225bhp and around 1400kg or thereabouts.
It would easily lay it all down and handle it, as could I.
But it reached speeds it shouldn't in places it shouldn't.
I went from that to using a Peugeot 107 at work, with 1000cc and 60bhp.
Driving that, in comparison, is a hoot.
You get to use all of the power, the vast majority of the time.
Make of that what you will.
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HowardB
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 05:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
Having briefly had tenure of an Audi TT, earlier this year, I quickly came to the conclusion that I shouldn't use most of the performance most
of the time in that.
225bhp and around 1400kg or thereabouts.
It would easily lay it all down and handle it, as could I.
But it reached speeds it shouldn't in places it shouldn't.
I went from that to using a Peugeot 107 at work, with 1000cc and 60bhp.
Driving that, in comparison, is a hoot.
You get to use all of the power, the vast majority of the time.
Make of that what you will.
You sir are in agreement with James May,...
to be fair, so am I for the most part,. My Fury has circa 170bhp,.. it is a hoot,...
Howard
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Smoking Frog
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 05:04 PM |
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Yes I agree. Working the engine and gears is what attracts me, seems like your're more involved. Especially on a well balanced locost. Better
than a point and squirt set-up, which would be to fast for my brain. But each to there own
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ian locostzx9rc2
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 05:20 PM |
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Most people seem too agree so I'm not going mad just I bit old...
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kj
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 05:27 PM |
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1700 x flow twin 40s 135bhp quick, changed to 899cc zx9 was dyno on bike at 165bhp much more fun cheaper road tax too.
Think about it, think about it again and then do it.
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zilspeed
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 05:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kj
1700 x flow twin 40s 135bhp quick, changed to 899cc zx9 was dyno on bike at 165bhp much more fun cheaper road tax too.
My old car had 135bhp of xflow.
Two owners later it had a ZX9 engine at 150 ish bhp.
Next owner after that, R1 at whatever BHP.
Last I heard, it had a turbocharged R1. Most certainly well over 200bhp.
Who had the most fun / did the most miles ?
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daveb666
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 05:39 PM |
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I need at least 220bhp to increase my power to weight. (And torque to weight)
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AndyW
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 05:50 PM |
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I must admit, I do read lots of posts, and do lots of searches on here to find out this and that to increase power etc, then I think actually I really
cant be bothered. I really enjoy the car as it is. Although I am hugely disappointed in the overall performance as when I was looking into kit cars,
you would get all these answers as to how you could pretty much beat anything on the roads.
Running a 2.0 blacktop on standard ford ecu, there must be something wrong with my car as I don't think in any way that its that quick.
I just get out there and enjoy driving a car that I built. Hence why I am quite close to my 3000 mile limit for the year
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kingster996
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 05:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daveb666
I need at least 220bhp to increase my power to weight. (And torque to weight)
168bhp/145lb ft will do me Dave (cough)
I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 06:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kingster996
Funny you should say this, but I am looking at speccing my engine now - and originally figured 150bhp would be plenty after a blat in a Caterham of
that order.
Then you start talking about it and all of a sudden it's 200bhp is not enough!
I am settling on between 150 and 200 as a 'ballpark' - mainly due to the added cost of drivetrain upgrades (have a type 9) once you go
over 200 (apparently!).
Anyway - as long as it's fun who cares!
My type 9 is handling 272 and 308ftlb quite happily
Ben
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big-vee-twin
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 06:35 PM |
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More power = More bragging rights
That's the long and and short of it!
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kingster996
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 06:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben_Copeland
My type 9 is handling 272 and 308ftlb quite happily
So why do so many people reckon it can't handle more than "around 180" without upgrades?
I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure
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keith777
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 06:54 PM |
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I've had my standard engined Indy for nearly 5 years and it still frightens the cr@p out of me !
cheers Keith
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richardm6994
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 07:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kingster996
quote:
Originally posted by Ben_Copeland
My type 9 is handling 272 and 308ftlb quite happily
So why do so many people reckon it can't handle more than "around 180" without upgrades?
Maybe they mean 180bhp in a Sierra? Seven type cars are a lot lighter than the Sierra that the type 9's came from....so presumably the box can
handle more bhp before breaking?
I'm putting 270bhp and 303ftlbs through a std type 9 and not having any problems....my theory is that I break traction before breaking the
gearbox.
Sorry for going off topic......and a good discussion it is
[Edited on 21/7/14 by richardm6994]
[Edited on 21/7/14 by richardm6994]
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JoelP
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 07:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
quote:
Originally posted by kj
1700 x flow twin 40s 135bhp quick, changed to 899cc zx9 was dyno on bike at 165bhp much more fun cheaper road tax too.
My old car had 135bhp of xflow.
Two owners later it had a ZX9 engine at 150 ish bhp.
Next owner after that, R1 at whatever BHP.
Last I heard, it had a turbocharged R1. Most certainly well over 200bhp.
Who had the most fun / did the most miles ?
Me!
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femster87
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 07:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AndyW
I must admit, I do read lots of posts, and do lots of searches on here to find out this and that to increase power etc, then I think actually I really
cant be bothered. I really enjoy the car as it is. Although I am hugely disappointed in the overall performance as when I was looking into kit cars,
you would get all these answers as to how you could pretty much beat anything on the roads.
Running a 2.0 blacktop on standard ford ecu, there must be something wrong with my car as I don't think in any way that its that quick.
I just get out there and enjoy driving a car that I built. Hence why I am quite close to my 3000 mile limit for the year
You have to go out in my car it just harasses most things on the road.
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 07:33 PM |
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Mines pretty lethal in the wet but in the dry with the tyres I'm using I can get all the power down, no problem.
It's a massive rush as the power comes in and I still feel I'd like more, but it's running fairly standard really so it's
reliable.
Ben
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jeffw
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| posted on 21/7/14 at 07:33 PM |
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Not sure about the bragging rights thing...and I can 'use' the power I have on a track. On the road is a different game entirely but then
I've given up driving very fast road cars as that is not the best place to drive quickly.
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