bi22le
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| posted on 1/7/16 at 07:57 PM |
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drifting kit cars
Random I know!
A colleague at work has a skyline powered 200sx drift car that he uses as a a daily driver. Hearing him sod off into the distance in a sideways rev
limit slapping fashion makes me want to join in.
He has invited me to come on a drift what you bring day.
It got me thinking. Could i just buy a cheap 3.92, weld it up, slap some cheap tyres on and have fun?
I understand that maybe the wheel base is short and therefore snappy but I bet good old Ken Block could drift my car.
Thoughts?
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twybrow
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| posted on 1/7/16 at 08:27 PM |
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Why not? You wilk know the balance of your car well, so if you are happy to do the work, i would say give it a go!
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mazie
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| posted on 1/7/16 at 09:06 PM |
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Ford Sierra Axle
Do it ! sounds like great fun !
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Adamirish
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| posted on 1/7/16 at 09:13 PM |
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Why not!? As long as you have enough power then it shouldn't be a problem. Surely you can set the suspension up somewhere near to make it
manageable. 80psi in the back tyres will help!
I did find mine very easy to drift in our works yard. Though it was wet and second gear was, err, lively! dirty big, smokey, limiter bashing 3rd
gear on the lock stops drifting may take some practise though! Be sure to get some vids of it, if you do go.
MK Indy 1700 Xflow
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benjo
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| posted on 1/7/16 at 09:29 PM |
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I would love a go but will need a locked / welded diff . this was my very first drive youtube link
a few months back so dont mock my crappy skills
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bi22le
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| posted on 1/7/16 at 10:32 PM |
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I don't have an LSD and from my track experience the back does slide in slower corners but not much as the inside wheel just spins.
This is fine on track. It gives my car good balance and actually it does not spin up too badly. It certainly gives me confidence to just pin it and
get gone.
Onto drifting. I feel a welded diff is needed. That what the drift guys do!
Whack up the shocks and tyre pressures then just keep an eye on the temps.
Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
Please read my ring story:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/13/viewthread.php?tid=139152&page=1
Me doing a sub 56sec lap around Brands Indy. I need a geo set up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHksfvIGB3I
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Adamirish
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| posted on 1/7/16 at 11:00 PM |
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Back in the good old days of me and my mates getting all redneck on old bmw's and sierras, we emptied the diffs of oil, squirted a can of carb
cleaner in there and waited for it to evaporate(very important, didn't end well once! ) then stick welded any nuts, bolts, washers etc into
the planet gears. All this was needed as our welding was crap! The engines or gearboxes always let go before the diffs did!
It seems to be a thing with drift cars, the gearboxes and clutches get real abuse! The engines are usually fine, the transmissions get all the grief.
MK Indy 1700 Xflow
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SteveRST
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| posted on 1/7/16 at 11:48 PM |
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Don't think 7 type cars are the easiest to drift properly. You really want a longer wheelbase so that the drift is more predictable and
controllable, also the light weight in a 7 means less inertia which is probably not the easiest to hold. I think the main issue is the lack of
steering angle though - the turning circle in my Westfield is terrible and even on full lock (with cycle wings touching the bodywork) there is not
enough steering angle to achieve a proper drift (or save a bad one )
Sounds fun though. I'm very tempted to try one of the drift days at Oulton Park. Hmm, need to get a cheap open diff and get it welded up. My MX5
would be better suited though, but I'd like to try the Westy.
Best opportunity I've had to mess about and try drift it, well power oversteer really I guess.
YouTube: Westfield messing on Kart Circuit
Steve
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bi22le
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| posted on 2/7/16 at 07:56 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SteveRST
Don't think 7 type cars are the easiest to drift properly. You really want a longer wheelbase so that the drift is more predictable and
controllable, also the light weight in a 7 means less inertia which is probably not the easiest to hold. I think the main issue is the lack of
steering angle though - the turning circle in my Westfield is terrible and even on full lock (with cycle wings touching the bodywork) there is not
enough steering angle to achieve a proper drift (or save a bad one )
Sounds fun though. I'm very tempted to try one of the drift days at Oulton Park. Hmm, need to get a cheap open diff and get it welded up. My MX5
would be better suited though, but I'd like to try the Westy.
Best opportunity I've had to mess about and try drift it, well power oversteer really I guess.
YouTube: Westfield messing on Kart Circuit
Steve
[Edited on 1/7/16 by SteveRST]
Cheers for the input steve. I don't really want to blow gearboxes but i doubt I will be doing many of them. A screwed diff would not cost much
to buy and then just weld.
I understand what you say about full lock aswell. I have not needed full lock on my car so don't know what it would be like.
I guess the clutch and gearbox would fair ok as the cars are light. I would be more worried about snapping halfshafts which my car has a habit of
doing.
Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
Please read my ring story:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/13/viewthread.php?tid=139152&page=1
Me doing a sub 56sec lap around Brands Indy. I need a geo set up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHksfvIGB3I
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bi22le
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| posted on 2/7/16 at 08:08 AM |
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No effort required!
Ford Sierra 3.92 Welded 7inch Diff Stock Car Lighting Rod , AUTOGRASS , DRIFT
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Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
Please read my ring story:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/13/viewthread.php?tid=139152&page=1
Me doing a sub 56sec lap around Brands Indy. I need a geo set up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHksfvIGB3I
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froggy
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| posted on 2/7/16 at 07:54 PM |
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Not enough power and too much grip to drift a seven with any success . Welded diff will just push the front end . I used to do a few days at oulton
park on their drift courses which are very polished and sevens just don't seem to be able to maintain much of a drift even with a very low grip
surface like oultons drift tracks
[IMG]http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r187/froggy_0[IMG]
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ch1ef
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| posted on 28/7/16 at 09:07 PM |
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I have done my years drifting 200sx, Skyline, BMW etc The normal choices for a drift car. I built a 7 with 300bhp+, hydro, extra lock, 2way, etc It
did slide OK, but its not a "sit there and enjoy it situation" if you want to actually drift rather than powerslide/donut. That being
said, go along to an open area drift day and have a locked diff and you will learn a lot about the balance of the car with if you have not messed
around with driving past the limit, then it will teach you a lot and make you a better track driver in my experience.
I have also tried a bit of sliding in a MK indy, Formula 27, Roadrunner SR2 and a luego viento. All slide, but all have a characteristic where you go
past a little angle and the car just wants to spin, so its really hard to maintain speed and angle, especially as most 7's have such a small
lock
Go drift and learn more about your car, and if you enjoy it, then go buy one of the normal drift choices
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bi22le
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| posted on 28/7/16 at 10:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ch1ef
I have done my years drifting 200sx, Skyline, BMW etc The normal choices for a drift car. I built a 7 with 300bhp+, hydro, extra lock, 2way, etc It
did slide OK, but its not a "sit there and enjoy it situation" if you want to actually drift rather than powerslide/donut. That being
said, go along to an open area drift day and have a locked diff and you will learn a lot about the balance of the car with if you have not messed
around with driving past the limit, then it will teach you a lot and make you a better track driver in my experience.
I have also tried a bit of sliding in a MK indy, Formula 27, Roadrunner SR2 and a luego viento. All slide, but all have a characteristic where you go
past a little angle and the car just wants to spin, so its really hard to maintain speed and angle, especially as most 7's have such a small
lock
Go drift and learn more about your car, and if you enjoy it, then go buy one of the normal drift choices
Cheers for the input. After my last track day where i run out of brake pads and decided it's so too noisy im currently focusing on getting the
inlet plenum finally sorted. Then it's a case of seeing where my needs take me!
Track days ARE the best thing since sliced bread, until I get a supercharger that is!
Please read my ring story:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/13/viewthread.php?tid=139152&page=1
Me doing a sub 56sec lap around Brands Indy. I need a geo set up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHksfvIGB3I
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