Phil5062
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| posted on 7/4/18 at 09:33 PM |
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Importing a 2001 registered Fisher Fury from Ireland
Dear All,
I’m looking at importing a Fisher Fury from Ireland.
The DVLA site seems vague regarding exemptions etc.
My worry is I’ll have to put it through an IVA (no certificate of conformity???)
It was built from a rolling chassis supplied by Fisher in 1996, using an Escort donor (several old MOT certificates in the folder or paperwork)
It was registered in Ireland January 2001
Would it be exempt from IVA ? (I don’t think it would pass with the low headlight on the ‘classic’ bonnet it has.
Would it get an age related plate from the donor based on the presence of a few MOT certificates?
Many thanks in anticipation
Phil
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ReMan
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 12:24 AM |
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Regisrered I. In 2001?
I believe SVA was in force then so should have SVA even in Ireland.
Anyone else agree or not?
Edited to say ignore this
It was past beer o’clock and I read the post as NI!
[Edited on 8/4/18 by ReMan]
www.plusnine.co.uk
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vonmoogen
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 07:28 AM |
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There's no SVA or similar in Ireland. There's no real system to register a kit car over here. Some build a car and send it over to the UK
for testing. I'd guess either this or more likely it'll be registered on the log book of the donor.
It's a bit of a minefield and I found it very difficult to find any information when I moved over.
Sorry I can't help with info importing it into the UK but I'd definitely make sure things are properly registered in Ireland.
Feel free to ask any more about registration over here.
Rob
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Phil5062
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 08:20 AM |
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It’s got an Irish VRA document, with a note in the restrictions stating ‘assembled from kit’
Looking through the DVLA document V55/5 the notes mention reference to the certificate of conformance for ‘builder’ emissions etc etc.
It’s not looking straightforward is it?
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vonmoogen
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 08:41 AM |
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Hmmm. What is it registered as? There's no provision for inspecting kit cars here and registering them. The only thing is if a vehicle has been
significantly modified and they have to be inspected by an engineer and signed off.
Is there any reason you're looking at importing from Ireland? The only benefit I can see is you can claim back VRT when it's exported.
There must be much more choice in the UK
Rob
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Phil5062
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 10:40 AM |
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They are quite rare and it’s ticking all the boxes for me.
Engine, colour, wheels abs looks well built.
What’s the sketch with claiming back VRT then? Who claims it? The seller or the buyer?
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vonmoogen
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 10:53 AM |
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If you buy it in Ireland and are the one exporting it, you claim the VRT back (I'll need to check on are car of that age but it'll be
circa 30% of the open market selling price). It'll be complex from your point of view as you'll need to arrange a VRT export appointment
at one of the NCTS centres (they centralise the MOT equivalent here to test centres). They'll probably look at the car and paperwork then send
the application off to Rosslare for some to decide how much it's worth and let you know how much the VRT refund will be based on that (usually
takes a few days)
You can appeal the figure as it can be on the low side so I'd advise you to collect adverts for ones for sale to prove their worth.
Im not sure where you are based but its not something you could arrange just popping over to pick up the car.
Is it the one for sale on Donedeal in Kerry?
Rob
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Phil5062
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 11:34 AM |
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Yes it’s the car on Donedeal
TBH I think it’ll not easily be registered in the UK without having an IVA
And that will be difficult due to the classic bonnet, no speedo (easily rectified) and it having a hydraulic handbrake
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vonmoogen
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 11:58 AM |
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Was it registered in the UK prior to being brought into Ireland? May have been through SVA?
Might be tricky alright if its not.
Rob
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Phil5062
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 12:20 PM |
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Unfortunately it wasn’t registered in the uk. It was supplied as a fully labelled rolling chassis from Fisher and completed in Ireland.
I may start having a squint at IVA
Are they a nightmare?
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obfripper
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 12:37 PM |
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If it has been road reg'd in Ireland since 2001 then registration here should be straightforward, as being older than 10 years (from first
registration in another country) it is exempt from an iva test, a copy of the vra certificate will suffice as proof of age.
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-approval/exemptions-from-vehicle-approval
For mot purposes, you'll need to revert to a mechanical handbrake, and there may be issues with emissions depending upon what information the
vra forward to the dvla; at worst you may need closed loop fuel injection/cat fitted.
Dave
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vonmoogen
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 01:05 PM |
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If you are thinking about it, make sure the car is correctly registered in Ireland. There's plenty of dodgy incorrectly registered cars about
(particularly kits cars and anything unusual). Would be a right pain to sort out if it's not.
Not sure if you know but Cartell is the equivalent of a HPI check over here.
Rob
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Phil5062
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 01:31 PM |
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I have photos of the Vehicle registration certificate. Is it possible to upload then onto this forum somehow?
Regarding the 10 year exemption there’s a ‘may’ slipped in there.
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obfripper
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 01:57 PM |
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Head here:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/photos.php
Click on choose file, select your picture, then click upload.
To embed the pic in a post, click the thumbnail in the photo archive , then copy the forum code above the picture, paste this in your post.
Dave
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Phil5062
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 02:38 PM |
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[img]http://http://locostbuilders.co.uk/upload/67AEA5BD-5946-4DB6-AC7E-3817FB4[/img]
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obfripper
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 02:59 PM |
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obfripper
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 03:08 PM |
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That all looks bona fide, i don't think you'll have any registration issues in that regard, you'll need to get an mot before
registration though to complete the registration application.
Dave
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vonmoogen
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 03:13 PM |
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Having a quick look there it does seems to be fine. Id be interested to see how it was registered originally over here as its notoriously difficult to
register a car that was built over here!
Rob
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Phil5062
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 03:24 PM |
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Many many thanks for the input. It’s much appreciated!
It does not have a current NCT as it has no speedo or Catalytic converter.
The issues with an English MOT would be adding speedo and a mechanical handbrake. The engine came from a breakers yard in Ireland so proving its age
would be another thing
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obfripper
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 05:09 PM |
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For the mot, the engine age will not matter after may 20th, thereon the emissions will be based on v5c limits or date of first reg.
It may come back on a q plate depending upon original registration details ( there are not enough details in your pics and they may only be available
to vra/dvla) if so the q plate will mean a visual emissions only.
The speedo is not a major problem, a 20 quid ebay special would suffice to pass mot, it just needs to work and have backlighting to pass at
minimum.
The handbrake will be the most difficult thing to sort out, depending upon the current brake setup.
Dave
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Phil5062
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 06:48 PM |
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Im feeling quite optimistic but I don’t think I could fill in the V55/4 fully, point 5 and 16 abs all the other emissions related fields.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/v3555-application-for-first-vehicle-tax-and-registration-of-a-used-motor-vehicle-v555
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obfripper
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 08:59 PM |
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The emissions figures are not applicable to single/individual approval vehicles, so are not required for registration, this does mean the tax will be
applied on the older cc based system.
I would approach the seller to confirm whether they have a copy of the (i assume nsai) iva certificate, and whether it has a vehicle type code. If it
is present, the last digit will give the tested emissions standard (which may be more lenient than a full cat test).
I posted a list of the applicable emissions limits here:
https://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=211705
Checking the new manual, you will just sneak into engine age based emissions (pre 01/09/2002), but if you have no proof of the engine age this is a
mute point.
Point 5 will be as stated on the second bit of the vra certificate, any field that is blank on the vra certificate will also be blank on the first reg
application.
I would photocopy the v55/5 and fill it in, then find someone who deals with imported cars to check for errors etc before commiting pen to the
original form.
I would also ensure everything is sent by special delivery so if anything is lost you are covered for getting duplicates of the vra certificate etc,
as it could prove costly.
for a bit more help, have a look at these links, it's regarding a usa imports but most things are the same.
https://onemanandhismustang.com/importing-cars-from-the-usa-part-1-tax-duties/
https://onemanandhismustang.com/importing-cars-from-the-usa-part-2-dvla-registration/
Dave
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Phil5062
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 09:39 PM |
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fantastic news, very promising, thank you
I've ordered my forms and emailed them asking the question of it being a kit car.
I imagine there is a chance my registration application will get flagged and questioned further eh?
I quite like the thought of the adventure of collecting and the involvement of sorting for an MOT. But the costs are significant (£400 for the return
ferry crossing, trailer hire and then cost of passing MOT and registration)
Regarding the engine and proving the age, the engine block states C18XE which was only in production for one year circa 1993 , so, providing I could
get 'official' documentation then I should get into the engine capacity bracket then?
regards
Phil
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obfripper
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| posted on 8/4/18 at 11:20 PM |
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It will depend upon whether you have an engine number on the block, and then whether opel/vauxhall would give a production date from just an engine
number.
Having looked at the pics, it looks like it is running standard injection, so should be workable to pass a full cat test with a decent spec cat.
From the mot in service emissions book: Engine Code C18XE/DOHC idle 0.5CO fast idle 0.3CO 200HC 0.97-1.03LAMBDA.
There is a reasonable chance that the dvla will require an inspection - this may be a form that an mot station can check/complete or a proper dvla
examination.
I would not worry about this providing everything matches up on the paperwork side - it may be worth getting photos of the vin plate and stamped
chassis number to confirm all details, and running it through the cartell vehicle check to be sure.
Dave
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vonmoogen
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| posted on 9/4/18 at 01:59 PM |
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If you are going to progress with it, this may help understand the process of the export VRT refund
https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/export-repayment-scheme/index.aspx
Rob
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