At long last he's gone and, do you know, I couldnt care less what the Jordanians do to him considering what he has done to others himself.
it shouldn't have been that hard to get rid of him
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Originally posted by myke pocock
At long last he's gone and, do you know, I couldnt care less what the Jordanians do to him considering what he has done to others himself.
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Originally posted by myke pocock
At long last he's gone and, do you know, I couldnt care less what the Jordanians do to him considering what he has done to others himself.
And, what about the rest?
What I can't understand is how easy it actually would be.
Eg, We wanted this chap out, and the European Court said we couldn't. He therefore becomes the responsibility of the European Court and his
passport to the UK is cancelled. End of.
ATB
Simon
Jordan's not allowed to use evidence obtained from him under torture. Doesn't mean they can't torture him though.
Whetever he's done sending him to live with Katie Price seems to harsh a punishment.
... but possibly rather less horrible than being fostered by Madonna
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Originally posted by myke pocock
At long last he's gone and, do you know, I couldnt care less what the Jordanians do to him considering what he has done to others himself.
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Originally posted by onenastyviper
It should make people think - what lengths would a state go to in order to achieve its own ends when, in fact, people celebrate the fact that they "finally removed a terrorist from our shores".
As for "Human Rights" - it is a fairly obvious argument: either everyone has them or no-one does.
Make your choice but remember it is always easier to give up a right than it is to obtain it.
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Originally posted by Peteff
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Originally posted by onenastyviper
It should make people think - what lengths would a state go to in order to achieve its own ends when, in fact, people celebrate the fact that they "finally removed a terrorist from our shores".
As for "Human Rights" - it is a fairly obvious argument: either everyone has them or no-one does.
Make your choice but remember it is always easier to give up a right than it is to obtain it.
So it's everybody's right to do as they like ? Why should we finance his hate campaign against us ? I'd like to know if his family is still here or if they have gone with him.
The way I see it its the same as the argument against the death penalty; We now treat monsters as if they were reasonable human beings, but if we
treat them they way they deserve we fear we will become the monsters. Now the media is full of apologists for the worst serial killers of the 20th
century like Ian Brady, Fred West, Petter Sutcliffe and Peter Manuel. The current human rights view on punishment only values the human rights of
the guilty, the humans rights of the victims at ignored.
Had we liberated the death camps of WW2 today doubtless the European Court would demand we give community service orders to the camp commandants.
What we should do is stop giving asylum or any kind of admittance to anybody who does not promise to abide by by our culture and not engage in any
kind of political or extreme religious activity.
While many ethnic and cultural groups have immigrated into the UK seamlessly without losing grip of their cultural identity, the importing of
criminal activity and political unrest via immigration has always been a problem. In the period from the late 19th century until early 1920s the
UK and most of western Europe had problems with anarchists and criminals coming in with genuine refugees from Russia and Eastern Europe but that
settled down as succeeding generations became normalised to the accepted memes of western civilisation. What worries me is the current wave of
immigrants (from all parts of the world) are making no effort to fit in with the ethics of western countries which generated the conditions that
drew them here, the cynical would a case of turkeys voting for xmas.
[Edited on 8/7/13 by britishtrident]
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Originally posted by onenastyviper
Yes, actually - criminality is "post event".
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Originally posted by britishtrident
The current human rights view on punishment only values the human rights of the guilty, the humans rights of the victims at ignored.
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Originally posted by MikeRJ
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Originally posted by onenastyviper
Yes, actually - criminality is "post event".
So how does that tie in with conspiracy, which is a criminal offence you can be charged with before you have carried out the "event"?
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Originally posted by britishtrident
The current human rights view on punishment only values the human rights of the guilty, the humans rights of the victims at ignored.
That sums it up very nicely for me.
Qatada is off to face a trial. He was too dangerous to release here. This obsession with human rights will be the end of us, it needs sorting out. This current nonsense about a whole life tariff being inhumane and degrading, summarises the problem well. In any case, who decided that punishments shouldn't be degrading?
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Originally posted by JoelP
Qatada is off to face a trial. He was too dangerous to release here. This obsession with human rights will be the end of us, it needs sorting out. This current nonsense about a whole life tariff being inhumane and degrading, summarises the problem well. In any case, who decided that punishments shouldn't be degrading?
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Originally posted by JoelP
Qatada is off to face a trial. He was too dangerous to release here. This obsession with human rights will be the end of us, it needs sorting out. This current nonsense about a whole life tariff being inhumane and degrading, summarises the problem well. In any case, who decided that punishments shouldn't be degrading?
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Originally posted by Theshed
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Originally posted by JoelP
Qatada is off to face a trial. He was too dangerous to release here. This obsession with human rights will be the end of us, it needs sorting out. This current nonsense about a whole life tariff being inhumane and degrading, summarises the problem well. In any case, who decided that punishments shouldn't be degrading?
Well..... Winston Churchill said
"The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the civilisation of any country. A calm and dispassionate recognition of the rights of the accused against the state and even of convicted criminals against the state, a constant heart-searching by all charged with the duty of punishment, a desire and eagerness to rehabilitate in the world of industry of all those who have paid their dues in the hard coinage of punishment, tireless efforts towards the discovery of curative and regenerating processes and an unfaltering faith that there is a treasure, if only you can find it in the heart of every person – these are the symbols which in the treatment of crime and criminals mark and measure the stored up strength of a nation, and are the sign and proof of the living virtue in it.”
So will somebody tell me what he is said to have done? I suspect all the dross above about "hate preacher" actually refers to other people. Can you recall who our government asked to plead for the life of Kenneth Bigley? Some bloke called Qatada...
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Originally posted by JoelP
Qatada obviously didnt commit crimes that could reach the threshold for prosecution
Good point.
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Originally posted by onenastyviper
Yes, actually - criminality is "post event".
Society needs to grow up before something really bad happens and we really loose our way.
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Originally posted by JoelP
Qatada is off to face a trial. He was too dangerous to release here. This obsession with human rights will be the end of us, it needs sorting out. This current nonsense about a whole life tariff being inhumane and degrading, summarises the problem well. In any case, who decided that punishments shouldn't be degrading?
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Originally posted by jeffw
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Originally posted by onenastyviper
Yes, actually - criminality is "post event".
Society needs to grow up before something really bad happens and we really loose our way.
Not wishing to be a spelling Nazi but should that not be 'lose our way'
I thought you might want to know.....