As above
WHY it was not his fault
I disagree. Hamilton was being a muppet.
Hamilton didn't help himself one bit, it could be argued he pushed Maldonado off the circuit, sorry but this one 50 50 at best.
Hamilton - should have conceded that his tyres had gone and he was gonna get passed given space and gone to the finish best he could
Maldonado - should have realised Hamilton was a sitting duck turned left instead of right and re grouped to complete the pass elsewhere
These are the sort of reasons that Alonso is leading the championship in a mediocre car , where is Massa in the same car?
you think they would use thier bonce by the time they get to F1, but who cares more entertainment for us!!!
What's this? Lewis Hamilton involved in some sort of controversial incident? Surely not!
To be fair, I've not seen the incident, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest who the two players are!
Just seen the incident on the news... much ado about nothing! If Hamiltons tyres were indeed shot to pieces, then he should have got the hell out of that particular battle and concentrated on banking points (because they make prizes!).
+1 ^^^^
Paul di Resta showed how to get to the finish with the most possible points on shot tyres, he was in a similar position to Hamilton several times towards the end of the race, drove sensibly to the finish and picked a few more points up due to the above incident, showed far more maturity than Lewis.
I really hope that the DiResta to Ferrari rumour bears fruit. I think he could be quite handy with a bit more experience and a good car!
id be shocked if perez doesnt get massa's seat
Did I see a different race !!
PM had all four wheels off the circuit and attempting to rejoin the circuit- Lewis had the line.
PM should have either braked or turned left into the run off and have another go instead rejoining the circuit with no steering
because of the kerb - straight into the side of Lewis taking him out !
As for Lewis letting him past - gents, it's a race - you don't win or score points by letting people past.
I agree PM would have taken him because of the tyres but the guy behind has to get past the one in front - not expect to be allowed past with out
challenge.
No, you saw the same race, just a different opinion, it's allowed.
You create your own luck, Hamiltons just not very good at it, he needs to learn from Di Resta
It certainly was Maldonado's fault and was an avoidable impact and the stewards agree with me
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100705
quote:
Originally posted by Wheels244
Did I see a different race !!
PM had all four wheels off the circuit and attempting to rejoin the circuit- Lewis had the line.
PM should have either braked or turned left into the run off and have another go instead rejoining the circuit with no steering
because of the kerb - straight into the side of Lewis taking him out !
As for Lewis letting him past - gents, it's a race - you don't win or score points by letting people past.
I agree PM would have taken him because of the tyres but the guy behind has to get past the one in front - not expect to be allowed past with out challenge.
He's been given a 20 second penalty and relegated to 12th.
"Too damn right! Its bad enough that team mates let each other passed, without rivals doing it.
PM has a record of temper driven recklessness, best suited to ice hockey rather than F1. "
+1
Yes, Lewis could have conceded the corner, but given that PM has demonstrated an ability to park his car in the fence of his own volition (with Alonso
earlier this year) I'd say it was definitely worth contesting it!Shame about the outcome fro both parties, but more particularly for Williams, I
think the penalty on PM was pretty light considering he was returning to the circuit having had all 4 wheels off, seem to remember there being
something in the rules about rejoining without impeding the progres of another competitor?
There's some twaddle replied to this post.
1) 2 laps to go in 3rd place with worn tyres - give up and let Maldonado past! your having a laugh. Thats not racing, you'll have Senna turning
in his grave!
2) Maldonado had all 4 wheels off the track, LH on racing line. How is that LH's fault?!
3) Maldonado squeezed everybody who tried to pass him just as LH did to him. But now the tables have turnt it must be LH's fault?
Whilst I agree PM should not have tried to rejoin along side LH, and the accident was his fault, I beleive LH should have been handed a smilar
fine/penalty for pushing PM off the track in the first place. Im pretty sure kobayashi, was handed a penalty for doing the exact same thing to
Massa.
[Edited on 24/6/12 by loggyboy]
Lets hope come the end of the season LH doesn't need those extra easy points he could have had.
quote:
Originally posted by Wheels244
Did I see a different race !!
PM had all four wheels off the circuit and attempting to rejoin the circuit- Lewis had the line.
PM should have either braked or turned left into the run off and have another go instead rejoining the circuit with no steering
because of the kerb - straight into the side of Lewis taking him out !
As for Lewis letting him past - gents, it's a race - you don't win or score points by letting people past.
I agree PM would have taken him because of the tyres but the guy behind has to get past the one in front - not expect to be allowed past with out challenge.
quote:
Originally posted by CRAIGR
Lets hope come the end of the season LH doesn't need those extra easy points he could have had.
quote:
Originally posted by maccmike
There's some twaddle replied to this post.
1) 2 laps to go in 3rd place with worn tyres - give up and let Maldonado past! your having a laugh. Thats not racing, you'll have Senna turning in his grave!
2) Maldonado had all 4 wheels off the track, LH on racing line. How is that LH's fault?!
3) Maldonado squeezed everybody who tried to pass him just as LH did to him. But now the tables have turnt it must be LH's fault?
The incident with Hamilton apart, it was a very entertaining race full of surprise events - even in the pits! - shame about Vettel's car, as he
was having a stonking race! Schumacher did well for a 'retired' driver!
Hamilton had been under a cloud for about 15 laps whilst the stewards decided what to do about him allegedly ignoring a yellow flag earlier in the
race. They eventually decided to let it go.
[Edited on 24/6/12 by stevegough]
Pm tried to go round the outside, all LH did was legitimately maintain the racing line, can't really understand the latest sport of Hamilton
bashing myself.
Discuss
:-)
Silly question time, if there hadn't been contact and PM had managed to take the place, wouldn't he have been penalised anyway for gaining a position whilst off track?
So what's everyones take on the Hill Shumy incident ? You can't have it both ways Hill did exactly what PM did earlier today yet MS was the
"alleged" villain in that incident acused of driving Hill off the road, both in my opinion racing incidents avoidable by all 4 party's
involved.
Anyway it's now history, not Hamilton bashing just not looking at it through Hamilton tinted spectacles.
Put it this way... as I watched Mouldy come up behind Hamilton, I had one thought - this will be entertaining. Thing is, it's like coming up
behind the Old Man, you know that the lead car (despite it's distress) won't let anyone get past.
Yes, it was entertaining, and the result what I had expected.
Anyway, what I saw was Mouldy coming alongside under braking *very* rapidly, a Hamiltonian function pushing Mouldy wide (and off) and then a nudge in
return as the circuit was rejoined.
No driver wants to put their car in danger and crash (unless a Renault team Boss tells the to). No one wins.
quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
So what's everyones take on the Hill Shumy incident ? You can't have it both ways Hill did exactly what PM did earlier today yet MS was the "alleged" villain in that incident acused of driving Hill off the road, both in my opinion racing incidents avoidable by all 4 party's involved.
Anyway it's now history, not Hamilton bashing just not looking at it through Hamilton tinted spectacles.
"So what's everyones take on the Hill Shumy incident ? You can't have it both ways Hill did exactly what PM did earlier today yet MS
was the "alleged" villain in that incident acused of driving Hill off the road, both in my opinion racing incidents avoidable by all 4
party's involved. "
Very similar incident, Schuey was off the circuit, rejoined & took Hill out of the race, thereby winning the championship - ancient history &
driving standards have changed massively since then regarding what is & isn't acceptable, it was actually Schuey who did what PM did,
certainly not Hill, who, like Lewis, never left the circuit (well till Schuey thumped him!!!)
You'r point is perfectly valid, just the opposite way round entirely!
Never let patriotsm get in the way of the truth 
best topic iv started this
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
Very similar incident, Schuey was off the circuit, rejoined & took Hill out of the race, thereby winning the championship - ancient history & driving standards have changed massively since then regarding what is & isn't acceptable, it was actually Schuey who did what PM did, certainly not Hill, who, like Lewis, never left the circuit (well till Schuey thumped him!!!)
You'r point is perfectly valid, just the opposite way round entirely!
Thing is maldonaldos done some pretty shoddy moves in the past, seems to quite like ramming anyone that tries to pass him. Not actually seen this one, so no comment...
Maldonado was completely off the circuit in a run off area but had the car fully under control, then instead of doing the cool thing and
slotting in behind Hamilton and get him a the next corner in a red mist moment chose to try and nerf Hamilton out the way which resulted a T
bone. Even if he had done the impossible and somehow got in front of Hamilton he would have had to give the place back. I take the view that by
rejoining the track unsafely broke one of the most important safety rules of the sport and should have got a much more severe penalty than he has
been given.
Maldonado has been getting away with too much he needs a severe penalty to make him realise he has to reform his driving style, some suspect he has
only been getting away with it because he is the first F1 driver from his country and his personal sponsor is pouring millions into the sport.
Two intense racing drivers with history, neither of whom were going to concede. Both of them could have avoided the incident, neither of them did. Maldo ended up off the circuit, but Hamilton put him there (I seem to recall Hamilton had a go at Rosberg for pushing him off earlier in the season?). How Maldo decided to rejoin the circuit was silly.
Hamilton didn't try and push PM off the circuit, he used the normal racing line. Rosberg tried to kill LH & Alonso on the straight.
[Edited on 25/6/12 by jeffw]
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
Hamilton didn't try and push PM off the circuit, he used the normal racing line. Rosberg tried to kill LH & Alonso on the straight.
[Edited on 25/6/12 by jeffw]
Maldonado obviously has the raw talent but he just doesn't have the class or temperament (yet) of other drivers. He was totally at fault and it
was completely unneccessary as LH was like bambi on ice with his tyres and PM would have had a much easier oppurtunity later in the lap.
Talking of recklessness I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Jean eric Vergne's madness when taking out the Catering van of Kovaleinen
That
was amateur racing stuff and he should be severly punished. He didn't even have the brains to take it easy back to the pits.
All in all a very entertaining race, and never thought i'd say this but was very pleased to see schumi up on the podium again
quote:
Originally posted by Wheels244
Did I see a different race !!
PM had all four wheels off the circuit and attempting to rejoin the circuit- Lewis had the line.
PM should have either braked or turned left into the run off and have another go instead rejoining the circuit with no steering
because of the kerb - straight into the side of Lewis taking him out !
As for Lewis letting him past - gents, it's a race - you don't win or score points by letting people past.
I agree PM would have taken him because of the tyres but the guy behind has to get past the one in front - not expect to be allowed past with out challenge.
