Do we all really feel safer now that we can be locked up for 42days without charge
No
Many of the so called anti terror laws recently being passed in this country, bear a striking resemblance to many that were passed in Nazi Germany in
the years leading up to WW2 and the holocaust.
I have no fear of Terrorism, but serious concerns about this government.
David
Only need to be worried if your a terrorist or the pigs use it as an excuse.
So either way, pi€€ up a lamppost and your in bother
if there are no prison cells to keep current crims in prison where are they going to keep these people for 42 days?
get out Mr Brown, shouldn't you be in the Scottish parliment anyway?
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Originally posted by woodster
Do we all really feel safer now that we can be locked up for 42days without charge
i can understand locking someone up if its proved that they are guilty but locking them up for 6weeks whilst you decide if theres a case doesn't seem right ..... this can't be the same labour party that fought for workers rights fighting with the unions to free workers from evil bosses
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what eznfrank said
I think everybody should have to give DNA to make police investigations easier, then I would feel a little safer.
Oh yes, and if you're caught with a knife you should have a finger cut off with it, and if you're caught with a gun you get shot with it.
And if you're caught with a beer, you should have to drink it. And if you vote for Labour at the next election, you deserve everything those
inept B'stards give you.
work must be affecting me more than I thought!!!
[Edited on 12/6/08 by 82 Locost]
Read something the other day that said that were in more danger when the IRA were doing their worst than we are now.
Didn't see many calls for anti-terrorist measures then...
[Edited on 12/6/08 by David Jenkins]
interesting speech by David Davis though about why he is standing down....
eroding our liberties etc. blah blah
I wonder if they chose 42 because it is the answer to life, the universe and everything?
[Edited on 12/6/08 by 02GF74]
No way. The whole thing stinks.
If it was 42 days max between arrest and trial that would be one thing.
But six weeks before the police have to produce any evidence at all to suggest you've done anything illegal? BS!!
If there isn't enough evidence after 4 weeks to charge you with something whilst keeping the investigation going the chances are you haven't
done anything wrong. MI6 say they don't need it anyway.
It's BS and just more evidence of this dictatorial state we live in. Oh well, looking at the black skies outside it's the end of the world
anyway.............
Happy days
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Originally posted by eznfrank
I don't really care if a government body has my fingerprints or retina scans, it's just somethign that is very very unlikely to ever effect me personally.
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Originally posted by martyn_16v
Until they lose the data. Or sell it to a third party.
Let's face it, the government have an absolutely p*ss-poor record on data security
david davis's speech says it all take a minute to watch the video of his speech
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/2116756/David-Davis-resigns-from-Commons-over-42-day-anti-terror-plan.html
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Originally posted by David Jenkins
Read something the other day that said that were in more danger when the IRA were doing their worst than we are now.
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Originally posted by woodster
..... this can't be the same labour party that fought for workers rights fighting with the unions to free workers from evil bosses
The thing that worries me about this is although it is dubbed an 'Anti Terror Law' it will probably be used (illegally) in much the same way
that a lot of the recent anit terror laws have. In that it will also be used against the general population who are in not way related to terrorist
activity.
So you will potentially have your right to free speak impeded, have your right to public protest impeded or removed and be detained for 6
weeks........all without having anything illegal
I just don't trust them. Take a look at the DVLA. First of all there's the data protection act. Sounds good no one can get hold of my
details - good idea that!
Next a loop hole is brought in which means that the police are able to request data held about us if it is to help in a criminal investigation. Again
a good safe idea I would say. Makes sense that they should have access to any information that might incriminate and the decent law abiding people in
this land have nothing to worry about. Then very quietly OUR elected government change the wording from police to interested parties. Which now
means that every tom, dick and harry (namely clampers!) can purchase our details from the DVLA to fine us?! I think its ridiculous and a total abuse
of public trust!
The stupid thing is that this country is so obsessed with the media and the coming and going of fashionable fads that people aren't interested in
real political matters just whether or not replica london buses will remain on the street! I think we will end up like Italy - lots of red tape, lots
of laws and everyone will ignore it (of course they'll still have nicer lady eye candy and better weather!).
And who is to blame for all of this??!! We are - as tax payers and as voters.
Oli.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review
of Pennsylvania, 1759
Said 249 years ago - not much has changed.
42 days and ID cards will be the downfall of this government. Perhaps in their way, then, they'll serve a purpose. That is if the opposition get in on promises to repeal both laws.
I was dead against the 42 day ruling until an acquaintance of mine who is still in the military mentioned that an officer under cover almost had his
cover blown until the person who recognised him was 'withdrawn from general circulation' for 28 days, but it would have been really useful
to the investigation if he were to be out of sight for longer.
Misuse of the laws, or a necessity?
Mrs T the iron lady god bless her x x x
42 days - stinks
ID cards - bring em on, so what, i carry my driving license, health insurance, bank cards. Why not an ID card?
DNA - you're having a laugh. Its trumpted up and programs like CSI give you COMPLETELY the wrong impression. I haven't been round to NSDevs
house in ages - bet they can still find my DNA there. So if something happened and they've found my DNA i must be guilty. Its complete tosh and
the people who do DNA work keep telling the gov to STFU, yet they keep going on about it.
As much as i think people panic over nothing - we are heading in the wrong direction. I've said it hundreds of times, the first law the gov.
should bring in is this ......... all prospective parents MUST go on a parenting class. Don't go and your child is put into foster care until you
do. As its a new law, all parents with children under 16 must also go within the next 4 years. That would make so much difference to society. After
that remove the police targets - bloody waste of effort, time and money. NHS ..... oooh don't get me started the people are great, the systems
and petty politics every does drives you potty (and before someone says anything g/f and all her family work in NHS and i have a great pleasure of
working for a company that has to interface with them).
In fact many times i've wondered about standing cause if believe that if you're prepared to moan you should be prepared to do something
about it (hence always voting).
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Originally posted by MikeR
ID cards - bring em on, so what, i carry my driving license, health insurance, bank cards. Why not an ID card?
Sort of mixed on this one.
Agree with all said by mark allanson BUT
Picture a scenario when a mistake is made. You, an innocent party, are locked up for 6 weeks your wife and kids have the worry and inconvenience to
handle. Meanwhile life goes on and bills mount up. You have no wage as you're hourly paid. How many low income family's will manage for 6
weeks with no money coming in??
Then suddenly it's a mistake and your released into the clutches of the no claim no blame lawyer and it costs the country a fortune in stress
related payments I mean you may NEVER be the same person again.
A very difficult subject. If our right to silence was removed and lieing to the police resulted in a charge of perjury, I'm sure most questioning and charges/release could be over in 28 days. 42 is a long time, if detention after 28 days was compensated at 2x daily pay would that not be OK? I know that other European countries have far shorter pediods for questioning, but they also have laws allowing post charge detention for YEARS.