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All Alloy Pinto engine
nick205 - 27/1/09 at 10:43 AM

Not sure if this has been posted before...

Just been reading the latest Burton Power catalogue and noticed that they now offer an alloy Pinto (SOHC) cylinder head. They have offered alloy Pinto/Cosworth engine blocks for some time, but with the new cylinder head you could, potentially, build an all alloy Pinto.

OK you get a bare weight saving of around 40kg over the standard cast iron items and if you're building a classic Ford and want to maintain the Pinto engine fitment or possibly competing in particular race series, but.....

....it's going to cost you a sh1t load of cash to do. Like £4k for the block and £3k for the head + crank, rods, pistons, cam, flywheel, bolts etc - let's say easily £10k+.

It seems a crazy proposition to me, but I'd love to see someone go the whole hog and fit an all alloy Pinto fully tuned and mated to a Quaife sequential gearbox.

Alloy Pinto/Cosworth block

Alloy Pinto cylinder head (2nd from top)

Mr Whippy - 27/1/09 at 10:54 AM

IMO thats just plain stupid, 10k for a pinto! when you could have a new v8 like this for less than half that ready to go and its already made of aluminum too...

New 4.0 & 4.6, fully assembled 'turn-key' engine, Turnkey engines as shown come 100% complete & ready to run. Starter, wiring, alternator, Serpentine endless pulley belt system, fuel injection, clutch, flywheel, rocker covers, breathers, fillers, timing cover etc. etc.

Complete engine £4,895.00

nick205 - 27/1/09 at 11:00 AM

My thoughts exactly as you can get a brand new Duratec with 200+bhp ready to go for around £6-7k.

I'd still like to see someone do the alloy Pinto thing though, just because it can be done

Mr Whippy - 27/1/09 at 11:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by nick205
My thoughts exactly as you can get a brand new Duratec with 200+bhp ready to go for around £6-7k.

I'd still like to see someone do the alloy Pinto thing though, just because it can be done


even the duratec sounds over priced tbh I'd rather have the sound and the torque of a v8 anyday

bimbleuk - 27/1/09 at 11:09 AM

I recently met a couple of guys at a dyno with their mint mk1 Escort strapped to the rollers. Complete ground up restoration to then compete in some road rallying. Cost? a mere £90K!! to completion.

They wouldn't produce them if there wasn't the demand!

Mr Whippy - 27/1/09 at 11:17 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bimbleuk
I recently met a couple of guys at a dyno with their mint mk1 Escort strapped to the rollers. Complete ground up restoration to then compete in some road rallying. Cost? a mere £90K!! to completion.



bet they weren't married

nick205 - 27/1/09 at 11:27 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
quote:
Originally posted by bimbleuk
I recently met a couple of guys at a dyno with their mint mk1 Escort strapped to the rollers. Complete ground up restoration to then compete in some road rallying. Cost? a mere £90K!! to completion.



bet they weren't married


maybe to each other and/or the car...?

Mr Whippy - 27/1/09 at 11:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by nick205
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
quote:
Originally posted by bimbleuk
I recently met a couple of guys at a dyno with their mint mk1 Escort strapped to the rollers. Complete ground up restoration to then compete in some road rallying. Cost? a mere £90K!! to completion.



bet they weren't married


maybe to each other


well...I didn't want to say, but probably

coozer - 27/1/09 at 11:53 AM

Why? total waste of cash when BRAND NEW zetec's are only £700.

Then cams, throttle bodies & exhaust and 220bhp.

iank - 27/1/09 at 12:01 PM

I think the point of these is purely where some racing regs specify exactly what pinto cams, crank, piston, rods etc you are allowed to use, but don't specify what the block/head have to be made from.

Maybe pub bragging rights are worth £7k these days, but I can't see that personally.

mr henderson - 27/1/09 at 12:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
IMO thats just plain stupid, 10k for a pinto! when you could have a new v8 like this for less than half that ready to go and its already made of aluminum too...

New 4.0 & 4.6, fully assembled 'turn-key' engine, Turnkey engines as shown come 100% complete & ready to run. Starter, wiring, alternator, Serpentine endless pulley belt system, fuel injection, clutch, flywheel, rocker covers, breathers, fillers, timing cover etc. etc.

Complete engine £4,895.00



In the interests of accuracy- you forgot to add the VAT, and you will need an ecu and an air mass meter!

mcerd1 - 27/1/09 at 12:14 PM

have any of you ever seen the price of a warrior 16v engine (pinto based, 16v alloy head)

I think they were around the 16k mark for a complete 2.4 / 2.5 engine with a steel bottom end - and that's with an iron block
(I think its about the same for a new top spec 2.3 cossie duratec)


but I can't say too much as I'm building mine with a steel bottom end
I used mostly standard s/h cossie bits - but it still makes no financial sense at all
(but I will 'eventualy' have a 9000rpm rev limit on 1989 emissions )

[Edited on 27/1/09 by mcerd1]

02GF74 - 27/1/09 at 12:19 PM

that is awful news as it could be the end of the boat anchor jokes



Burton do, and have been doing for sometime, an alloy crossflow head.

nick205 - 27/1/09 at 12:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
that is awful news as it could be the end of the boat anchor jokes



Burton do, and have been doing for sometime, an alloy crossflow head.


...and an alloy block is also available too IIRC

Mr Whippy - 27/1/09 at 12:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
have any of you ever seen the price of a warrior 16v engine (pinto based, 16v alloy head)

I think they were around the 16k mark for a complete 2.4 / 2.5 engine with a steel bottom end - and that's with an iron block


thats still not going to get them a girlfriend

mcerd1 - 27/1/09 at 01:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
that is awful news as it could be the end of the boat anchor jokes


not quite, you've still got the old ford V6's

idl1975 - 27/1/09 at 01:54 PM

Or just buy a decent Chevy V8 from almost any US scrapyard and have it shipped to you for under a grand...conservatively fuelled, it will probably use less petrol, too.


quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
IMO thats just plain stupid, 10k for a pinto! when you could have a new v8 like this for less than half that ready to go and its already made of aluminum too...

New 4.0 & 4.6, fully assembled 'turn-key' engine, Turnkey engines as shown come 100% complete & ready to run. Starter, wiring, alternator, Serpentine endless pulley belt system, fuel injection, clutch, flywheel, rocker covers, breathers, fillers, timing cover etc. etc.

Complete engine £4,895.00

mangogrooveworkshop - 27/1/09 at 04:45 PM

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[Edited on 27-1-09 by mangogrooveworkshop]


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