Autoflock Motorsport
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 12:55 PM |
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Dominator TS400 - Ive Finally Sorted One!!
Well chaps, I have made the bold decision to scrap my Fiesta track car build for one reason or another and sorted a deal out on a Dominator TS400.
Really excited about getting it which should be real soon, I am after some feedback about the Dominator, so any advice, tips and comments would be
most appreciated, the car curently has a gsxr 100 engine in it with power comander, quaffe lsd, electric clutchless shift and geared for around
120mph.
Kind regards
Raj
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/23/viewthread.php?tid=183445
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 12:59 PM |
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Is it the Dominator that starred in a TV series, you may want to so a little research if it is.
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Benzo
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 01:02 PM |
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blakep82
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 01:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
Is it the Dominator that starred in a TV series, you may want to so a little research if it is.
BUt more importantly, the one on telly was built by a complete idiot, and went against all the guidance he was given.
No experience in the dominator myself, but I'm sure its a cracking kit. But as with everything, as long as its built sensibly
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MK9R
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 01:44 PM |
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MK's new Stealth uses the old Dominator bodywork, although Danny has modified it, but if you need replacement panels he's the guy to speak
to.
Cheers Austen
RGB car number 9
www.austengreenway.co.uk
www.automatedtechnologygroup.co.uk
www.trackace.co.uk
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scootz
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 01:45 PM |
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Even if it was the car built on the show, then it must have been sorted by now!
So there were (correctable) faults in the original chassis design. Surely these couldn't have been much worse than the other MK derived
designs.
It's Evolution Baby!
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russbost
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 01:46 PM |
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There was nothing wrong with the original design, strangely when you bung an engine with about 25% more power & around 1/3 more torque into the
same frame & don't beef anything up it has a tendency to bend things - shock horror, who'd have thought it! When we first started
using the ZZR1400 as opposed to the ZZR1100 we had to beef the diff support structure up considerably. I have every sympathy with the original
designer/owner of the Dominator I think he was well & truly shafted - not much wrong with the car itself, should make a great track car! All IMHO
of course!
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 01:49 PM |
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But there are two sides to every story with the truth usually somewhere in the middle.
I'm going to be brutally honest and stick my head above the parapet whether it goes down well or not, I experienced the chassis 1st hand and was
not overly impressed to the point I wouldn't sit in one on track at speed without serious modifications, secondly there will be zero back up to
keep the car on the road, suspension parts, bodywork etc should it ever be needed, I would rather say so now if the guy hasn't committed then I
would suggest he does some homework before he does, that said other photos I have seen elsewhere on the Internet suggests someone does have access to
the body moulds and is producing a remarkably similar body if its not indeed the same one.
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MK9R
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 02:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
But there are two sides to every story with the truth usually somewhere in the middle.
I'm going to be brutally honest and stick my head above the parapet whether it goes down well or not, I experienced the chassis 1st hand and was
not overly impressed to the point I wouldn't sit in one on track at speed without serious modifications, secondly there will be zero back up to
keep the car on the road, suspension parts, bodywork etc should it ever be needed, I would rather say so now if the guy hasn't committed then I
would suggest he does some homework before he does, that said other photos I have seen elsewhere on the Internet suggests someone does have access to
the body moulds and is producing a remarkably similar body if its not indeed the same one.
Yes Danny at mk
Cheers Austen
RGB car number 9
www.austengreenway.co.uk
www.automatedtechnologygroup.co.uk
www.trackace.co.uk
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Autoflock Motorsport
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 03:43 PM |
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thanks guys,
the fella who built it is very matriculate and is very handy with the spanners so the build is of a very high standard.
here is the spec
Suzuki GSXR 1000cc K4 (2004) engine with power commanderDrysumped with all aeroquip pipe and fittings
electronic gearchange with buttons on steering wheel
clutchless gearchnges
quiffe L.S.D
heavy duty chain
Alloy A.v.O twin adjustable bump and rebound coilovers
wilwood four pot calipers
290mm grooved discs with racing pads
bias adjustable pedal box
fully rose jointed suspension
revolution 7" front and 8" rear wheels with dunlop racing slicks
hand held fire extinguisher
plumbed in fie extinguisher
small racing battery
light weight seats with 6 point harnesses
G.P.S digi dash
going to have a good look tonight, car also comes with a gig to make another frame, bodywork need attention though but I will be going full carbon
with it anyway
Kind regards
Raj
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/23/viewthread.php?tid=183445
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daniel mason
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 05:04 PM |
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sounds like the one on ebay which had no bids at £5k.
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will121
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 06:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
sounds like the one on ebay which had no bids at £5k.
I for one was watching it with interest, Had a few bids in end. It appears to be well specked with dry sump motor etc would like to think if had that
much done to develop it as a track only car there may also been some investment in chassis development.
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will121
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 06:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Autoflock Motorsport
Well chaps, I have made the bold decision to scrap my Fiesta track car.
What model fiesta were you using?
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Autoflock Motorsport
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 06:39 PM |
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just got back from viewing it and have sorted a deal, yes its the one off ebay. He has done loads of modifications, chassis has been strengthened,
all the wishbones have been replaced for tubular cd somethings etc, himself and another chap have builts two, I must say by the viewing the level of
build quality is superb!!! Really chuffed, just got to settle all the money thgen its game on.
The body is a very simple one as well so moulding it should be a doddle although there are a few things I will be changing on it. Can't believe
the body is wet lay grp though instead of infusion, is this the norm for kit cars bodies? excuse my ignorance but im from a track car (road car
style) back ground where everything is made as light as possible.
The fiesta I was building was going to be a 450 - 500 bhp mk3 rsturbo zetec, but the engine itself was going to cost near 10k, but the body was pretty
much full carbon, ive been wanting a kit car for years, even though this one isn't built by me im sure after a year I can begin to start putting
my stamp on it.
Exciting times ahead
Kind regards
Raj
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daniel mason
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 07:07 PM |
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however light your road cars were which you raced. id imagine youll get a serious shock with 160bhp of bike power in a 500kg aero body like that. it
will be seriously quick!
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 08:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by will121
quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
sounds like the one on ebay which had no bids at £5k.
I for one was watching it with interest, Had a few bids in end. It appears to be well specked with dry sump motor etc would like to think if had that
much done to develop it as a track only car there may also been some investment in chassis development.
Me too, I took a punt on it aswell, good spec with the dry sump and push button gearchange etc complete running car for £6000 ish grand you
can't go wrong, its going to make you a nice quick track car. Although I would also agree 100% with Jon Ison, as he knows his cars, the
original chassis was poor, I would have got the chassis checked out before I took it out, even on a trackday And I am sure Danny at MK would sort you
a bit of bodywork" if you did happen to bin it on a track/race day, but please everyone, do not confuse this with MKs new race chassis as the
"Stealth" MK has a completely new chassis design, it has nothing to do with the dominator chassis, and only this years RGB will see how
good the new MK chassis is, but like Jon, I too will stick my neck out like I did a 3 years ago when Danny started racing with his MK Indy Busa, I
think Danny Keenan will be the driver to watch in this years RGB, and the MK Stealth, it will suprise a few people, and after a couple of seasons will
be up in the top 2 or 3 cars I think, but anyway what ever happens, even if I am wrong, lets hope for a good years racing in the RGB , and either
way:, I can't wait cool:
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SCAR
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 09:09 PM |
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TS400 can be made to go really well, I think one was run with great sucess in RGB some years ago, it may have even won a season although I cant now
find the web page of the guys who ran it.
Looking forward to the stealth joining the grid in RGB this year but the reality is the front runners are hugely developed. I will be amazed if the
stealth gets anywhere near the front in its first season, but it might, thats what makes racing interesting.
With the front running RGB class R cars now capable of beating £60k Radicals with just the addition of slicks and a drop in ride height getting a
result in RGB for any new car is going to be a massive task.
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austin man
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 09:13 PM |
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Agree with Paul, as long as the car drives and goes well I can see Danny progressing in the series as he has done in the BARC, no doubt it will take a
season to fully fettle the car and get it set up right
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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ceebmoj
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 10:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MK9R
MK's new Stealth uses the old Dominator bodywork, although Danny has modified it, but if you need replacement panels he's the guy to speak
to.
I was under the impression that the Dominator bodywork was very similar to the GT1 if so that completes the circle so to speak.
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 10:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by austin man
Agree with Paul, as long as the car drives and goes well I can see Danny progressing in the series as he has done in the BARC, no doubt it will take a
season to fully fettle the car and get it set up right
Thats it Andy, it may take them a season or two, but only time will tell, and we will have to wait and see, but what ever, its got to be good for the
RGB and the 750mc, to have another manufacturer racing on the grid, but either way I am sure it will make the racing even better to watch for us
racing fans
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austin man
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| posted on 28/3/13 at 10:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by PAUL FISHER
quote:
Originally posted by austin man
Agree with Paul, as long as the car drives and goes well I can see Danny progressing in the series as he has done in the BARC, no doubt it will take a
season to fully fettle the car and get it set up right
Thats it Andy, it may take them a season or two, but only time will tell, and we will have to wait and see, but what ever, its got to be good for the
RGB and the 750mc, to have another manufacturer racing on the grid, but either way I am sure it will make the racing even better to watch for us
racing fans
I think its the right move, Danny proved the indy R is a competetive car, next move has to be aerodynamics and power plus ne competition as you say it
can only be good for the series
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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Autoflock Motorsport
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| posted on 29/3/13 at 12:04 AM |
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Thank you everyone for your advice and comments, it is soo welcome!!! need to learn as much as I can. In regards to the chassis, the two blokes who
have built this are very very capable, one is ex rally tech as well, they have added extra triangulion etc which was above my head. When I asked
about a few kit car forums and meets, he wasn't interested, he just builds race acrs and improves them. Its quite refreshing to speak to a
fella who doesn't follow the crowd and just does whats needed with proper motorsport knowhow, a rare thing these days.
In terms of the body I specialise in light weight panels, for example the heaviest bonnet I made was 3.4kg for a mk3 escort which you could stand on,
that got binned as we deemed it not suitable for purpose, it was for a track spec'ed car and was far too strong, we are now aiming for a 2kg
bonnet for this.
As for the dom, im thinking a carbon/aramid body for road use with lights moulded into the front wings similar to the koningseg or zonda (not too sure
which) and a superlight cored carbon body for track, the centre body section will be carbon aramid as that wont be interchangeable due to ease.
Only thing putting me off is the 125 top speed, I was building a 500bhp sub 800kg fiesta which going on the fiesta it was going to be based on hit
184.9 at marham, im open minded so will see what it is like to actually drive but I have a gut feeling that a blower and taller front sprocket may be
added ;-)
A qtr mile time of 12sec + or a terminal of sub 115 us unacceptable to me as that's what my mates 1600 rsturbo's and zetecs are doing
Kind regards
Raj
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/23/viewthread.php?tid=183445
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scootz
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| posted on 29/3/13 at 01:28 AM |
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If the drag strip is your 'thing' then you're looking in the wrong place. I have a mate with a nutter-spec super-charged Busa Dax
which should theoretically see him arrive at the end of the strip before he's set-off, but its an apparent nightmare to launch properly
(even with fancy electrickery).
Seems the big HP Jap 4x4's are the daddies.
A race track will be a different ball-game altogether though. 
It's Evolution Baby!
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Autoflock Motorsport
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| posted on 29/3/13 at 01:33 AM |
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Hello Scootz,
yes I totally understand, im just worried that although the car will be able to break a hell of a lot later, be uber quick out of the corners, just
worried that once on the straight top speed is reach far too quickly if that makes sence, I would be willing to sacrifice a bit of acceleration to
gain a bit of top end, would rather always be accelerating that reaching a top speed then holding it till it was time to break. This car is on the
limiter at 125 which is reach at tcroes Anglesey which is one of the smaller circuits.
Im just being sceptical lol just after as much info as poss.
Kind regards
Raj
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SCAR
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| posted on 29/3/13 at 07:56 AM |
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I assume its still running chain drive so changing ratios will be cheap and easy.
Given the power, weight and aero I would try gearing for 145 top end as best compromise. Most uk circuit straights would appear pretty short at that
speed.
The car is designed for circuit racing so top speed is balanced against corner speed, braking and acceleration (on smooth tarmac) and the top RGB cars
can lap some circuits close to BTCC times with nowhere near BTCC power.
The body panels dont need to be any lighter as some RGB cars require added weight to achieve minimum race weight (cant remember the minimum limit but
about 500kg)
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