raccoonradar
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| posted on 25/11/05 at 10:37 PM |
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someone make my mind up please
Ok been thinking of changing my engine
What do I go for ?
fitted now is a 1.3 x flow fitted to a book built locost, do i go for the easy way out & fit a 1.6 x flow, un-bolt & re-fit job or go for a
zetec 1.8 or 2.0 ?
Thinking of cost as well as the wife keeps saying "what do you need some more seats for ? & its got a engine what do you want another for
" yes love
Lets say my technical knowledge is more cross flow than zetec
I think what I am trying to say is do you have to be a clue up wiz or a young but rusty spanner monkey to go for the zetec option
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caber
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| posted on 25/11/05 at 10:52 PM |
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keep the 1300 and do a number on it over the winter. don'tknow state of tune at present but you can probably get a bit more out of it if you try
:-)
If you are comfortable with this technology stick with it !
Caber
BTW no new engine is easier to sell to swmbo
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oliwb
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| posted on 25/11/05 at 10:59 PM |
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Have you thought about the CVH?? lighter than a pinto.....simple etc etc....Oli.
If your not living life on the edge you're taking up too much room!
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SeaBass
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| posted on 25/11/05 at 11:06 PM |
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Go for a mildly reworked 1600/1700 x-flow easy to work on, mate to everything. Parts not expensive. Lots of fun in car like this.
On the other hand zetec - lots of power for little money - only probs are what you feed it with on induction side - webers/tb's or bike stuff.
Not difficult. Same side exhaust etc - you could cut and shut a xflow manifold if the primary bore is big enough + not much'll go wrong with the
zetec in about 200 years.
Cheers
JC
[Edited on 25/11/05 by SeaBass]
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raccoonradar
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| posted on 25/11/05 at 11:10 PM |
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its a 1.3 gt re-built new pistons ects
not sure if its been rebuilt with performance parts ie cams ect
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Mr G
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| posted on 25/11/05 at 11:27 PM |
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Just to confuse the matter i'll mention the good old XE as the main alternative to the zetec option 
If you want to keep it simple and are not too worried about fuel economy then it sounds like whatever engine choice you decide on the carb route will
be your best bet still.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 25/11/05 at 11:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr G
Just to confuse the matter i'll mention the good old XE as the main alternative to the zetec option
Clearly the best choice of engine mentioned on this page so far
However, it won't mate up to his existsing gearbox, so you'd need to factor in and extra ~£170 for a bellhousing straight away.
My choice in that situation would be a Zetec. Perhaps bolt a pair of secondhand 40's just to get it going whilst putting together a locost fuel
injection system to bolt on later.
Crossflows are nice in a retro kind of way, but they have to be in a fairly high state of tune to deliver what a stock Zetec would in terms of power.
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UncleFista
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| posted on 26/11/05 at 03:14 AM |
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If you have the 4-speed 'box then you're pretty limited in how much power you can put through it, and if it's a book chassis, the
type-9 won't fit.
So realisticly unless you fancy chopping and changing the chassis, the 1.6 crossflow would probably be easiest and cheapest by a fair way.
What gearbox are you using and how much room is there around it ?
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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02GF74
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| posted on 26/11/05 at 08:56 AM |
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you don't say what you want to achieve by changing the engine, presumably more power but how much? And how much you are willing to spend money
and time wise. Bear in mind increase in insurance and possibly road tax.
Easiest would be to overhaul and bore out existing engine, if that is possible, and put some tuning goodies.
... but it may be cheaper to slap in a 1600 engine in. And then if cash/time allows. put tuning goodies on.
After that, take you pick of engines - rover v8 will give the biggest bang per buck.
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andyharding
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| posted on 26/11/05 at 10:47 AM |
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Depends on your budget, decide that first.
If you're doing it right a Zetec will cost >£1000.
2.0L Pinto will cost about £100.
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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scutter
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| posted on 26/11/05 at 10:52 AM |
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I'd have to say keep the X-flow, the noise it makes is worth it alone.
Plus loads about and dead easy to work on, nice and small aswell.
ATB Dan.
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Danozeman
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| posted on 26/11/05 at 11:01 AM |
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As andy says decide your budget. The zetecs are cheap engine but carbs and manifolds and ign arnt cheap. If youv got a 4 speed box u will need to
change for a type 9 so different prop. Well worth spending the money on.
Pinto or bigger crossflow is the cheapest option. Id still go for a type 9 if u havent got one.
Dan
Built the purple peril!! Let the modifications begin!!
http://www.eastangliankitcars.co.uk
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andytmc
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| posted on 26/11/05 at 05:03 PM |
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Zetec needn't be that expensive IF you can fit it in using the standard induction system and are prepared to use the standard ECU. Ok its not
optimal in terms of performance but saves plenty of £s.
My Velocity has a 1.8 from a Mondeo fitted, they have the black plastic induction system that is on the side of the engine. Had to move one engine bay
brace by about an inch to get it in. Sorting out the ECU wiring wasn't to bad, thanks to the resources on this forum.
Used a Fiesta alternator, but cut down & retained existing bracket. Changed the water pump & got a new belt to make everything turn in right
direction. Put a new cam belt on to be on the safe side.
The air filter housing etc was junked and a new one made up from drain pipe. Water rails were made from some stainless & copper tubing.
Paid £250 for the engine, alternator & starter, got the ECU for free at a local scrappy, so not expensive.
I've not put many miles on it yet, but sailed through emissions at SVA.
Andy
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stevebubs
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| posted on 26/11/05 at 05:19 PM |
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Go the zetec route.
If you're on a budget, do it as cheap as possible then upgrade parts as and when you have the cash.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 26/11/05 at 06:42 PM |
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If your Escort box is a Mk1 it won't stand up to sporting use with a 1600 Xflo for long but the Mk2 box was stronger.
However you should be able to fit a Cortina or Capri 1600 4 speed gearbox without major alterations to the Chassis -- this will take a bigger
engine without problem. But the propshaft will need altered.
As mention the CVH in 1600 Xr3/Orion Weber carb form is another option a lot more power than the 1300 and simple to wire up. However the engine
mounts need a bit of thought, but the CVH is a halfway house to fitting a Zetec at a later date as the mountings required are very similar.
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raccoonradar
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| posted on 26/11/05 at 09:37 PM |
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thanks for input fokes
lots to think about
as for the box its a stright cut quaife so it should be up to the power  think i will go for the easy way 1.6 crossflow.
just getting hold of a good one!
Just want more POWER
Cheers
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UncleFista
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| posted on 26/11/05 at 11:06 PM |
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You don't need to get hold of a good one.
I bought a GT head on ebay for £20, he threw in the seized block with it.
Set of new bearings, set of 2nd hand pistons, new rings, gasket set, rebore and crank regrind and it runs great.
My first full engine rebuild and I was amazed at how simple it all was.
Sounds like a spitfire too
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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Baldrick
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| posted on 28/11/05 at 05:13 AM |
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quote:
and if it's a book chassis, the type-9 won't fit.
Can I ask why? I thought I'd heard of this being done - certainly was going to be my next step with an engine upgrade.
Other thing to bear in mind is a lot of these newer engine types are taller so think about your bonnet line.
Plus no-one's even mentioned a bike engine yet...
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 28/11/05 at 03:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Baldrick
Can I ask why? I thought I'd heard of this being done
I was about to ask the same, I'm sure dozens of people have used type-9's in a book chassis. Perhaps he's thinking of the MT75?
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