David Jenkins
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| posted on 17/3/08 at 09:00 PM |
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I'm starting to REALLY hate Vista!
I've recently been given a loan laptop by my employer. Nice machine, very nice to use, and 1000% better than my antique lappy I've been
using to tune Megajolt.
The trouble is, it arrived pre-loaded with Vista. My previous machines have either been Linux or Windows 2000. Linux is hard work at times, but
gives the admin total power over configuration. Win2K is not so lenient, but it's still easy enough to dig in and deal with network issues.
Vista seems purpose-built to obstruct me - I'm starting to take it personally! I've spent most of the evening trying to find why my
access to the internet suddenly disappears without warning. When I try to connect, the system says it's down. If I click on the diagnostic it
says "It's not working - check your wirelss access point or speak to an administrator" or words to that effect.
I have really tried to get into Vista, but it seems to get in my way, rather than help me. I use XP at work - that's just seems like enhanced
Windows 2000 and it just works for me.
Am I alone, or does anyone else hate it as much as me?
My IT bod at work has suggested that I put XP on the laptop - I am seriously tempted.
cheers,
David
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Benzine
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| posted on 17/3/08 at 09:08 PM |
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Vista is the best OS m$ have made. I'm in a minority with this view though. Most people don't like it.
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MkIndy7
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| posted on 17/3/08 at 09:10 PM |
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I've always found Vista to be super easy to connect to networks etc, but on the whole I'm not that big of a fan.
Is there some kind of firewall or windows defender thats blocking your access, or even the Router itself as its a new laptop it will be using a
different IP address to what its expecting or allowing through.
The one thing I do find Bonkers is that accessing another computers drive over the network you need a username and passwork even if that computer
doesn't have one!
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RichardK
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| posted on 17/3/08 at 09:10 PM |
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Yep, go back to xp, I can't say I like vista at all, even when I swatted to do the vista ms exam I couldn't get to like it which is
unusual for me, normally when I understand the reason it's doing that weird behaviour I accept it because of the sensible reason behind it.
The one thing I do like though is the virtualisation of ie7 and vista, this is where the browser runs in it's very own virtual machine so in
theory nasties can't get to the host machine. Neat feature, don't know if in practice it's any good as vista didn't last that
long on my machine to find out 
Cheers
Rich
[Edited on 17/3/08 by RichardK]
Gallery updated 11/01/2011
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 17/3/08 at 09:10 PM |
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I was going to get my PC with Vista a few months after it came out but decided against it after everyone i knew hated it
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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BenB
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| posted on 17/3/08 at 09:39 PM |
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I had a fiddle with Vista the other day on a brand new laptop.
It certainly got my lap nice and warm (so I assume its quite CPU heavy!!) and ran rather slowly whilst trying to prevent me from doing everything I
wanted to do!!
Nice laptop. Bad OS. Isn't it just a even more patronising (but rather shiny) version of the same old same old?
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 17/3/08 at 09:41 PM |
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That about sums it up - very pretty, very shiny, total PITA.
Linux is not easy under the bonnet, but at least it does let you get into the machinery if you know how to do it.
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onzarob
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| posted on 17/3/08 at 10:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
Vista is the best OS m$ have made. I'm in a minority with this view though. Most people don't like it.
I agree, I been using it for a year, yes it is tighter on control, but for a reason, your security. I've been in IT for 17 years and I do feel
some of it is because allot of users have never had a OS change. I find Vista is ok and when it does something odd I can find a sensible explanation.
I like it 
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RazMan
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| posted on 17/3/08 at 10:35 PM |
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I've been using it for years now, since the beta days, and I have to say that it is by far the best os I have used ...... when everything is
Vista compatable. Just make sure that you have the proper drivers and it will be ok - -really.
You should try the 64bit version if you think you've got problems 
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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JC
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| posted on 17/3/08 at 10:51 PM |
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I think therefore iMac
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twybrow
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| posted on 17/3/08 at 11:08 PM |
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I got a new HP laptop from work a few months ago. It was a brand new model at the time (8510p) that came pre-loaded with windows. It took bloody ages
to be delivered, the the IT boys spent the next day taking Vista straight off of it.... XP or 2000 only at our work - let the other users figure out
the bugs!
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andyharding
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| posted on 17/3/08 at 11:13 PM |
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Mac all the way for me. No problems, easy life.
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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jlparsons
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| posted on 17/3/08 at 11:40 PM |
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I see it this way-
Windows - it'll work but it might stop. You'll definitely find the software you want but it'll cost you.
Mac - it'll work and it won't stop. You might find the software you want, you might not. If you do, it'll cost you.
Linux - it'll work and it won't stop. You'll almost definitely find the software you want. It'll cost you nothing, nor will
the software.
It used to be that ease of installation and use were big divides, but based on my most recent reinstall of a dual boot windows/ubuntu system, linux
was far easier which surprised me. Windows on the other hand needed third party drivers to be found and then all my software had to be sourced and
installed separately. Linux installed all the software I needed from install and recognised every device.
I've used windows a few times to play games since, that's about it. I'm starting to wonder if it's worth using up 10gig for
the partition.
Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead is purely coincidental. Some assembly required. Batteries not included. Contents may settle during
shipment. Use only as directed. No other warranty expressed or implied. Do not use while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. Subject to
approval, terms and conditions apply. Apply only to affected area. For recreational use only. All models over 18 years of age. No user-serviceable
parts inside. Subject to change. As seen on TV. One size fits all. May contain nuts. Slippery when wet. For office use only. Edited for television.
Keep cool; process promptly.
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Pdlewis
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| posted on 18/3/08 at 08:18 AM |
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I love it and run it in the Vista and server 08 from and have had to problems. An easy alternative for anyone who has a vista machine but wants to
access an XP or Linux feature is to install them as a virtual machine and run them from within vista (any machine that can run vista will be able to
run a VM client such as VMware player)
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 18/3/08 at 09:05 AM |
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Unfortunately it's a company machine, and we're official Microsnot partners (a fancy title for a development company with close ties to
MS) so replacing the OS with Linux is never going to be an option.
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RazMan
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| posted on 18/3/08 at 09:48 AM |
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Unfortunately any os gets very bad press when it is first launched and therefore everyone is very afraid to jump in and use it while being prepared to
sort out the niggles.
I went into PCW last week and asked about an incompatibilty with my 8Gb flash drive with my 64bit Vista. When I asked if they could try it out on one
of their 64bit systems they said that they didn't have one! In fact they admitted that they ONLY use XP in their teccie department as Vista was
too finicky and the Vista systems were on the shop floor and mostly just for the bling factor!
I suppose that speaks volumes 
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 18/3/08 at 03:09 PM |
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I hate Vista. A new laptop I bought came with Home Premium and although I really tried to live with it for a few months, in the end it annoyed me so
much I scrubbed it and installed XP.
Even switching as many of the stupid, pointless shiny bits off as possible, it still nannies you and makes things as difficult as possible. What on
earth were M$ thinking when they got rid of the "Up" button from explorer? Something I use all the time on XP and Win2k, and they replace
it with the stupidly named "bread crumb".
quote:
Windows - it'll work but it might stop. You'll definitely find the software you want but it'll cost you.
The amount of open source software for windows is huge, probably not that much less than Linux, as so much of it is ported across.
XP is also reasonably reliable if you don't install spyware infested crud on it. My last work machine (a humble dual processor P3-733 Dell)
would typically go for several weeks at a time without a reboot, which was usually only needed due to installing software or Windows updates.
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Mac - it'll work and it won't stop. You might find the software you want, you might not. If you do, it'll cost you.
True enough. I bought a second hand iBook to play with OSX a while back. I quite like it to be honest, a good improvement on Mac OS 9.
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Linux - it'll work and it won't stop. You'll almost definitely find the software you want. It'll cost you nothing, nor will
the software.
Every time I get enthusiastic about Linux I spend days installing it and playing with it, and then go back to my windows box to get some work done.
I also seem to have some unique power in that I have managed to completely lock up Linux several times when playing.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 18/3/08 at 04:12 PM |
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Losing wireless networking on laptops is usually a wireless nic problem -- on a lot of laptops even modern expensive ones the built in wireless
networking card is nbg due to arial packaging issues.
Often an ultra cheapo USB wireless dongle works better.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 18/3/08 at 04:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
Unfortunately any os gets very bad press when it is first launched and therefore everyone is very afraid to jump in and use it while being prepared to
sort out the niggles.
I went into PCW last week and asked about an incompatibilty with my 8Gb flash drive with my 64bit Vista. When I asked if they could try it out on one
of their 64bit systems they said that they didn't have one! In fact they admitted that they ONLY use XP in their teccie department as Vista was
too finicky and the Vista systems were on the shop floor and mostly just for the bling factor!
I suppose that speaks volumes
In about 1 year Vista will be OK, I never use any version of Windows om my own PCs until it has been released for 2 or better 3 years.
Windows 2000 was the dog danglers but things move on.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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onzarob
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| posted on 18/3/08 at 09:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
In fact they admitted that they ONLY use XP in their teccie department as Vista was too finicky
I probably going to get shot for this, but where is the techie part in PC world? 
Finicky= too complicated for them
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RazMan
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| posted on 19/3/08 at 05:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by onzarob
I probably going to get shot for this, but where is the techie part in PC world?
Finicky= too complicated for them
Good point - their eyes just glaze over whenever I ask them anything vaguely technical. I recently applied for a managerial position in PCW and they
even messed up my emailed application form and I was getting 'button trouble' automated emails from their admin dept months after my
application - bunch of muppets.
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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