Hi All
The Viento kit is ordered and I should have it by the end of July. I could have got it sooner but I am away working and that is when I return.
What else do I need, I have the donor car so the engine, gearbox, diff are covered as are the brakes etc. Is there anything else that I should be
collecting now?
Also what points should I be watching out for, I am hoping Luego have sorted the crush tube issue before I get my kit, but is there anything else that
might catch me unawares?
Thanks
Colin
Sierra front hubs/knuckles & Scorpio Granada 4 bolt rear hubs ( the later makes life much easier & Granda/scorpio front hubs/knuckles are too
big).
If you can pull the entire wiring loom out of you donor without cutting then you have all the wiring you will need and all the right connectors, it
will have all the correct grade of wires for each circuit & will just need thining out and you have a usable fuse box.
Thanks JGG
I didn't know that about the Scorpio front hubs, they do look huge though. I am sure Ben has a set of Sierra hubs I can buy from him.
Wondering if the Scorpio calipers will fit the Sierra hubs though?
The wiring loom in the Scorpio is a pain in the rump, it is one of those one wire does nine jobs and is prone to failure. There is a wiring loom
included in the kit so I think I will start with that, keeping the Scorpio loom for connectors etc. And of course I will need to keep the engine loom.
Fuse box is another weak point but there is also one in the kit.
Sorry for rambling on, just trying to get everything ready for day one.
Need to find out if the calipers fit a Sierra, I don't want Cosworth brakes at the rear and Sierra ones on the front.
Anything else I will need that comes to mind anyone, would be appreciated.
Cheers
Colin
Put at least Sierra 4x4 (260mm ) front discs and calipers on. Its a big car and needs some stopping power.
All sierra rear discs are std at 255mm (ish),
You would need Cosworth front hubs if you want the Cosworth brakes, they are different to the 4x4 and std ones.
I would not put drums on th rear of a Viento.
You could use the Focus ST170 discs (300mm), with extender brackets and sierra calipers. Its been done on here before.
Shop around, you will be amazed at how much you can save.
Hi
Thanks for the advice, I have a Scorpio Cosworth donor with all the calipers etc. I am presuming then that when I change the front hubs to Sierra ones
unless I can get hold of Cosworth ones I wont be able to use the Scorpio calipers, which is a bit of a bummer as that means I will have to down size
the rears as well.
Wonder if I could make the Scorpio calipers fit the Sierra hubs using an adaptor of some kind?
Thanks, Colin
Why cant you use the scorpio hubs complete?
ie both back and front. I know Jolly Green Giant has used std granada / scorpio ones.
With the Sierra, the cossie Hub is different to the std sierra hubs and needs the cossie calipers and discs. Its the offsets etc. If the scorpio Hubs
will fit as a complete unit, its problem solved.
JGG.... Help me out here, I dont think its as big a problem as that. I know you cant use the 4x4 front hubs due to the drive shafts / bearing
arangements, well not without a lot of work.
Don,t rivit on the side transmission pannels until you have sorted out your gearbox mounts etc.
The old manual has you doing this first.
Paul
+ measure every thing 3 times before you cut or drill......
If something is not going right walk away and have a pint..it will go better the next day
quote:
Originally posted by wilkingj
Why cant you use the scorpio hubs complete?
ie both back and front. I know Jolly Green Giant has used std granada / scorpio ones.
With the Sierra, the cossie Hub is different to the std sierra hubs and needs the cossie calipers and discs. Its the offsets etc. If the scorpio Hubs will fit as a complete unit, its problem solved.
JGG.... Help me out here, I dont think its as big a problem as that. I know you cant use the 4x4 front hubs due to the drive shafts / bearing arangements, well not without a lot of work.
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If you can get hold of a complete Sierra column and then mate it with the Granada column (as I did) then you get to use the much smarter looking granada binnacle...
Thanks for that very good explanation, made everything a lot clearer. I had a quick look at your pictures and the one of the front disk assembly.
Now I understand how it goes together, the little mushroom thing goes in where the strut comes out, a eureka moment.
I've been out and had a look at the Scorpio hubs and you are spot on the spindle carrier is about three times larger than a Sierra's, so I
need to get a pair of Sierra hubs.
Brakes I can do as you suggest and could work out cheaper for me, parts for the Scorpio are expensive, dearer to repair the calipers than it is to
exchange them" so I could just swap them out.
Thanks for your help it is most appreciated.
Cheers
Colin
Sorry I forgot,
When you say the whole column, do you mean take the joint off of the Scorpio column and weld the Sierra one on?
Forgive the daft questions, the last car I worked on was a three year old Viva, of course I was only two at the time
Cheers
Colin
Take the whole column out from the interior of your Scorpio, ( I had to make/weld Brackets to the Viento Column mounting to take the near horizontal
adjustable column mounts of the Granada rather than the near the near vertical mounts on the kit chassis). This will give you an adjustable steering
wheel. The part of the steering column in the engine bay will not be needed, but you will need an/the extension from a NON-Power steering Sierra,
which will need to be cut and extended. There are various thoughts on how this should/could be done, but a suitably close fitting tube of sufficient
wall thickness with about 2 inches of overlap properly seam welded on will be quite OK. These extension all fit onto the uper column by the same
Triangular clamp witha single 6mm bolt.
HTH
Clive
Also fit the aftermarket steering column bearing, that Rusty Nuts fitted.
Its lightyears ahead of the Ford one (goes in the bulkhead) and only about £12.
I'm going to fit one.
You could fit the Focus ST170 front discs, which are about 300mm, and use some adaptor brackets and sierra calipers.
You wont get the full braking area, but should look good as a minimum.
Not tried this, and dont know how well it works.
The caliper extension brackets are available on Ebay for about £35. Easy to make as well.
Have a look at:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=78359
And look in his archive, for the pictures.
Well worth a look.
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/photos.php?action=gal&user=saigonij&folder=Luego%20Velocity%20XT
Well worth a look and plenty of pics on the brakes.
ST170 Discs are not that expensive.
check at www.brakeparts.co.uk
Also the offset is less than 0.5mm when you take the extension bracket into account.
Again thanks for that, I've just bought a set of Sierra hubs and a lower steering column.
You guys can make me spend my money quicker than my wife and daughters
However comparing prices for the wheel bearings, the Sierra is £9 and the Scorpio is £36, so I'll save the money for the hubs straight away.
If I leave the 273 mm Scorpio disks on the back and put the 300 mm ST170s on the front, that should help it stop some.
Thanks guys you have been a big help, now off to look for an aftermarket steering column bearing and a pair of caliper brackets.
Cheers
Colin
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Originally posted by GrumpyOne
You guys can make me spend my money quicker than my wife and daughters![]()
Thanks guys you have been a big help, now off to look for an aftermarket steering column bearing and a pair of caliper brackets.
Cheers
Colin
quote:
Originally posted by Paul (Notts)
Don,t rivit on the side transmission pannels until you have sorted out your gearbox mounts etc.
The old manual has you doing this first.
Paul
+ measure every thing 3 times before you cut or drill......
If something is not going right walk away and have a pint..it will go better the next day
quote:
Originally posted by Paul (Notts)
Don,t rivit on the side transmission pannels until you have sorted out your gearbox mounts etc.
The old manual has you doing this first.
Paul
+ measure every thing 3 times before you cut or drill......
If something is not going right walk away and have a pint..it will go better the next day
Might be worth running the loom, brake and fuel pipes down the tunnel before fitting the panels
Thanks for that again, lots of useful information and lots to think about. I am sure between yourselfs and Ben from Luego I will manage to build
something, not sure if it will be a car but something.
Ben is only 30 minutes from me, I am sure he will be sick of the sight of me before I am finished
Cheers
Colin
Hello
Not sure I wholly agree with the bit about fitting the tunnel panels after you've done all the work. I fitted mine first, and while getting some
stuff done after was a struggle at least you think about how you can get to it when you fit it rather than getting it all in there, closing the tunnel
then working out that there's stuff you can't get to........
Do double think on brake, fuel and cable runs, particularly around the diff nose, the gearbox tail - there's not a lot of space left once they
are in particularly with an LT77.
Using the washer spacing set the bottom front wishbones all the way forwards and the tops all the way back to maximise castor.
On your coil-overs you may find that the eyes are half inch, where the bolts are 12mm. GAZ do little tubular shims that do the job - old Luego just
said to do them up tight........
Watch out for the orientation of the bolts at the front of the lower rear wishbones. If you fit them pointing threads to the rear then panel the
bulkhead they're in there for ever ( I spotted this deliberate mistake before I put the panels on !)
Fit the diff before the rear wishbones as the wishbone is in the way of getting the long bolts in place - found this out whilst holding the diff up
with one hand and trying to get the bolt in with the other...
Best of luck
Simon
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Originally posted by simonk
Watch out for the orientation of the bolts at the front of the lower rear wishbones. If you fit them pointing threads to the rear then panel the bulkhead they're in there for ever ( I spotted this deliberate mistake before I put the panels on !)
Simon
first off all hi and welcom to the luego famlly
ive been building my V8 viento for about 4 years on and off and one thing ive noticed is how well most things fit my mate has been building a westfeld
a bout the same lenth off time as my self and has comented loads off times how huch a better car the luego is compered to the his westfeld as in panle
fit and moor
so iam shor you will have bad days but stick with it and it will be well worth it in the end
good look with the build we are hear as and when you need us
jim
My column trick was to swap the adjuster bracket off the sierra column onto the granada. You'll need to take an angry grinder to the ali casing on the granada colum to allow the adjuster bracket to fall in the right place but it does not involve taking off much material and therefore won't impact on the strength...
Thanks folks, priceless stuff this.
Ben from Luego came round the other night and took my engine and gearbox away to make the mounts for my chassis, since I can't weld I figured
this was my best option to have it done properly.
On a side note, don't try to take the engine and gearbox out of a Scorpio on your own, it nearly killed me a few times I had to drop the
engine and box down on to a small pallet, lift the front of the car up as high as it would go with the engine hoist, tie a rope to the pallet and drag
it out from underneath. Every muscle I have has ached for days afterwards
and I had a few choice words for Mr Ford and his BOB engine!!!
Once the engine comes back and I strip it down I am obviously not going to use the power steering pump or the AC pump which will only leave me with
the crankshaft pulley, the water pump pulley and the alternator.
Where is the best place to buy a custom drivebelt from, it's one of those three ridge jobs. I have searched the forum but haven't found
anything mentioned about drivebelts?
Cheers
Colin
quote:
Originally posted by GrumpyOne
Thanks folks, priceless stuff this.
On a side note, don't try to take the engine and gearbox out of a Scorpio on your own, it nearly killed me a few timesI had to drop the engine and box down on to a small pallet, lift the front of the car up as high as it would go with the engine hoist, tie a rope to the pallet and drag it out from underneath. Every muscle I have has ached for days afterwards
and I had a few choice words for Mr Ford and his BOB engine!!!
Cheers
Colin
quote:
Originally posted by GrumpyOne
Thanks folks, priceless stuff this.
Where is the best place to buy a custom drivebelt from, it's one of those three ridge jobs. I have searched the forum but haven't found anything mentioned about drivebelts?
Cheers
Colin
Thanks JGG
Absolutly amazing, is there no question that stumps Locost builders
Thanks
Colin