Unless its something super special (sorry i dont know the detailed spec) Stuff isn;t shifting at the moment, unless the price is low.
Ok guys, what is the vipers rolling chassis worth, with brakes, wheels, diff (complete with ected lsd) peddle box, seats, tank, basicly everything but the engine and box, thinking of fitting engine and box in a sierra for some fun!! would 7k be a fair price, as you know its a locost but with a lot of work done to it. opinions please, then once i know more i'll stick it in the for sale section.
Don't do it!!!!!!!!
You will regret it.
i'd say more like 2k, maybe 3k for the rolling chassis Unless its something super special (sorry i dont know the detailed spec)
Stuff isn;t shifting at the moment, unless the price is low.
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Originally posted by Dangle_kt
i'd say more like 2k, maybe 3k for the rolling chassis
Stuff isn;t shifting at the moment, unless the price is low.
As Dangle.
I would say 7k with the engine running with gearbox, but for the rolling chassis only, 2k maybe 3 IMO.
sorry.
No joy finding anyone to finish?
the basicly new engine and gearbox is worth 7k all day long on its own, people are paying more than 7k for a 4 pot with less than 1/2 of the power,
without the 6 speed box!!!!!!!!
how much is a stock new chassis from luego, i paid more then 3k and that was just the chassis, without it being rolling with some very expensive parts
added
Sorry but we need photos of this beast
it costs to much money to send money from America to the uk to get it finnished, so it may as well go and i'll just use the engine in something as a toy for my holidays and leave it in the uk.
Well then i think youre answering your own questions.
Personally, i dont think youll get £3k back for the chassis, or £7k for the engine, but i hope you do.
Good luck.
sorry, Are we talking at cross purposes?
You asked if the rolling chassis would be worth £7k.
Are you including the engine and box in with that now?
I'd have to stick to what I said, £2-3k for the rolling chassis, and whatever the engine is worth on top (sorry I havn't a clue about the
engine value)
rolling chassis without engineor box, chassis with parts that go with it cost well over 10K, and as you can see, its is far from a standard chassis, i thought a standard chassis with no suspension or anything cast over 3k
it will come with bodywork as well, although the nose and bonnet have been made into 1 to be a flip front.
Obviously you have to price the rolling chassis as you see fit - but as soon as something isn't standard people worry it might be bespoke to the
engine install, and if it is it limits their options.
You may find someone who wants exactly the spec you have, but the smaller that group, the harder it will be to sell - unless it is priced
accordingly.
This is the only part finished viento I can find, but you get the idea:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Luego-Viento-UNFINISHED-PROJECT-/320584786778?pt=UK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Other_Vehicle_Parts_Accessories_ET&hash=item4aa457a3
5a#ht_500wt_1154
well my back axle alone cost more than that end price.
If you wanted to get your money back, then maybe you should have invested in property.
Sorry to say so, but your original post was a question which i and others have answered with out opinions, yet you still argue that "It cost me
four times that", and the statement you make about your axle.
Sorry to be blunt, but you asked for opinions which is exactly what you have got.
2k ish? If the axle is worth a lot would it not be worth breaking the chassis down to sell, ie axle/brakes/wheels etc?
i did ask for opinions and i thank you for them, but the comments about the cost of parts was to show its not as standard as you and some that have
commented may think, anyone that knows the car as it is, knows how much has been spent on it and time on it, i know i won't get anywhere near
what i paid out on parts back, but i don't want to give it away, with the engine as well its got over 20k invested, and i had property and made a
nice bit of cash out of it thank you, and will be buying property here in america soon as well,
what is the price of a stock chassis without it being a rolling chassis, i'm sure i paid over 3k, was i ripped off, if you think i will only get
3k for this chassis
The things you need to consider.
How much do you need to spend in order to finish it off.
If you sell, the money that you will raise, will it be enough to complete your Sierra?
Also, the rear axle of the sierra, will it handle the power of your beast?
Wouldn't it be better to use your car as a donor for the sierra? Axles, brakes, box, diff, engine, master cylinders etc...?
There's no such thing as 'worth' or 'value' because with any particular item the worth or value varies from one person to
another. So the value is variable and cannot be defined.
With anything that you aren't buying or selling in the course of a business, the best thing to do when it comes to selling time is to completely
forget what you paid for it. The only thing that matters is how much it will sell for.
The only way to find out is with an auction, or by advertising at a set price for a while, then if it doesn't sell, try a lower price, and so on,
unitl somebody can't resist and has it.
what is the cost of a standard viento chassis, was i ripped off paying 3k, half the work for someone has been done, if its worth less than a chassis thats not been made into a rolling chassis then i may as well just weigh it in for scap and keep the good bits, the sierra wouldn't cost a lot, so thats not a problem, i just don't want to sell the chassis for scap metal price money, i would like to see a little of the money i have spent out back, but 3k does seem a silly low price, 5k i could live with, but 3k is taking the """"
Why not sell off all the bits? The problem you'll have is finding someone who wants a chassis that big to take the viper engine. It's quite a 'bespoke' chassis to sell.
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Originally posted by franky
Why not sell off all the bits? The problem you'll have is finding someone who wants a chassis that big to take the viper engine. It's quite a 'bespoke' chassis to sell.
I don't understand... why spend the time doing that, when you could just crack on with finishing it using the Viper?
I thought you were abroad and didn't have any time to take it further?
I think if it was me and i had decided to sell or had to sell, i would advertise for what i thought it was worth realistically (Probably not what it
cost) & if it didnt sell, work out what i could break it up for and sell the bits on seperately, the chassis could be advertised as a beefed up
viento ready for any type of engine transplant.
Its a real shame for you to have to get rid, i was nearly in a similar position when going through divorce but mine was a standard Velocity chassis
with no mods etc - i knew eventually i would be in a position to build again so managed to store it away for 5 years ! Im nearly ready to carry on
with the build now 
I hope you get a good result, i saw/heard you fire it up at one of the shows when we were in the luego owners bit & it was fantastic 
All the best, Andy
Let me see if I can explain what the problem is (or one of them anyway).
What the op wants to know is why is it so unattractive to the people who know about it so far? and was he ripped off when he bought it (I don't
think so personally)
I think it's because if someone buys a standard Viento chassis and starts a conventional build with all the usual Luego and Sierra bits, then
they know (or believe anyway) that they will be able to see the project through to a successful conclusion- ie IVA, registration, road, then eventual
sale if they need/want to.
With this project, they don't know that. They don't know is the cooling will be adequate, if the brakes will be adequate, if the bodywork
will fit the modified chassis, if the engine will pass the IVA emissions or noise tests (can't see any cats, and those silencers look small for
the size of the engine.
Even if the engine isn't included, will anything else fit instead?
So, because they don't know this stuff, they are deciding not to take a chance. More experienced builders either already have a kit car, or just
don't fancy it,or haven't got any spare cash at the moment, or have the same worries as above.
Ive alredy got a project on the go, or I might be interested, but I would want a super bargain before I would take the chances shown above.
i don't need to sell it, i just don't have the time to finnish it as i am working and living in the states as a truck driver so don't have a home base i could park it at to finnish at my lesure if i shipped it over here, also i can't justify spending to have it finnished as this would add even more money to the 20k plus that i have already spent, it would never be worth its money back even finnished, so i may as well cut my loses now rather than keep spending on it, if i thought i could get close to 20k when finnished i would maybe get it done.
maybe i'll just use the engine and axle in a sierra so i get some use out of the engine, then if at some point i come back to the uk to live i can get on with it, maybe not use the viper engine, use something a bit more normal.
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Originally posted by bj928
maybe i'll just use the engine and axle in a sierra so i get some use out of the engine, then if at some point i come back to the uk to live i can get on with it, maybe not use the viper engine, use something a bit more normal.
i don't have enough time in the uk to finnish and IVA the kit, but plenty of time to fit the engine into something that doesn't need IVA crap, engine in sierra will take a weekend, finnishing kit car will take weeks, and i only plan on being in the uk for about a month, i don't want to spend my hole holiday finnishing kit, getting it IVA'd then just park it till i come over again in maybe a year or 2
Going off on a slight tangent here, but I have to ask why would you want to put such an engine into a POS like a Sierra?
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engine in sierra will take a weekend,
I don't want to be negative, but selling a 'part built' car is always going to realise bad price. People (generally) fit into the
category of 1)wanting to build their own thing 2) wanting something they can just drive 3) wanting to build their own car, but to a standard design so
they know it will all work together, or 4)happy to finish something someone else has started. Unfortunately 95% of the kit population fits categories
1,2 or 3 above, and the price would have to be really low to attract them. Of the 'kit finishers' they will have to look at what they are
saving compared to buying the more standard parts - the really special/expensive parts of your build are probably not worth much to them. You will
almost certaily find that you will get the same for your rolling chassis with a more 'standard' diff/brakes/wheels for that model, so
I'd be tempted to take those bits off and sell them separately, and fit a cheaper diff and brakes, and sell with 'build' wheels from a
scrappy. (wheels especially are a personal choice I think) Then advertise the diff/brakes/wheels separately, probably more suitably on a site geared
to cobra replicas or similar.
Just my point of view
Hugh
it seems you'll be better off stripping it down to sell, however how much do you think the wheels/brakes etc are worth?
i could use a lot of the bits on a sierra rather than sell the, i could fit sierra diff and uprights all round pretty easy, si i think that could be
the way to go,
the viper engine will fit in the engine bay of a sierra without cutting bulkhead, already measured, but will have to move the rad forward, can use the
kit cars lsd and diff housing from the mustang as well, so i guess i may as well do that, might just keep the chassis if its only worth scap money,
then i always have the option of going back to it one day.
Big John - Wish I could help you mate but I'd have to sell a child (or two)...
Given the anticipation for the car by the industry as a whole (not just us lunatics) isn't it worth spending the time writing the list of things
that need to be done to get it finished and get Ben (or whoever) to quote a price to complete and test for you? You then need to take a honest view
of the two losses: The 'loss' (if any) of what you could get for the finished car less the money spent so far and the cost to finish versus
the loss of what you could get for the bits less the money spent so far.
There's still money out there for exotica as is proved by some of the things that are going off pishton heads at the moment.
Easy for me to say as it's not my money but I do think that you either have to finish it completely (and get it all over PPC mag tearing the
tarmac up) or strip back to the components (and accept a probably loss for a modified chassis unless you do refit Sierra running gear).
Aside from that - how's life in the big rig?
Cheers, Neil.
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Originally posted by NeilP
Given the anticipation for the car by the industry as a whole (not just us lunatics) isn't it worth spending the time writing the list of things that need to be done to get it finished and get Ben (or whoever) to quote a price to complete and test for you? You then need to take a honest view of the two losses: The 'loss' (if any) of what you could get for the finished car less the money spent so far and the cost to finish versus the loss of what you could get for the bits less the money spent so far.
There's still money out there for exotica as is proved by some of the things that are going off pishton heads at the moment.
Easy for me to say as it's not my money but I do think that you either have to finish it completely (and get it all over PPC mag tearing the tarmac up) or strip back to the components (and accept a probably loss for a modified chassis unless you do refit Sierra running gear).
Aside from that - how's life in the big rig?
Cheers, Neil.
BJ, I've been watching the build thread, and IMHO you've either got to finish it one way or another and sell it at that point (if you want
or need to) or to cut your losses now, break it back down and sell the parts individually. Would be a shame but I think it will be the least
financially damaging back-out.
I think it deserves to be out there on the road, and if finished properly is unique enough to command a decent price over a 'stock' Viento -
if there is such a thing.
Whatever route you choose best of luck with it - for my money it would be a shame to put the bits in a Sierra though.
Cheers
Simon