[Edited on 1/10/2011 by DRC INDY 7]
Are front fog lights part of the MOT?
One of mine is out and I don't fancy replacing it cause I never use them. (unlike the rest of of the nuggets round here)
Can I remove the lights and leave the switch on the dash? or, does that have to come out too?
Ta,
Steve
Not an MOT item as long as there are no sharp edges
Front fog lights are not part of the test working or not
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Originally posted by rusty nuts
Not an MOT item as long as there are no sharp edges
Body Condition
Body condition
This part of the examination applies to all vehicles.
4. Examine the body work for excessive corrosion or damage resulting in sharp edges which are likely to cause injury, 4. A sharp edge or projection,
caused by corrosion or damage, which renders the vehicle dangerous to other road users, including pedestrians
So a jagged broken lens would pass?
Crazy isn't it!
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Originally posted by DRC INDY 7
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Originally posted by rusty nuts
Not an MOT item as long as there are no sharp edges
Sharp edges applies only to bodywork ie corrosion
Yeah my fiesta failed a while back on the fog lamps being smashed garage said I had to go down and knock all the remaning glass out for them to pass it!
I always thought if it was fitted it had to work,learn something everyday
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Originally posted by DRC INDY 7
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Originally posted by rusty nuts
Not an MOT item as long as there are no sharp edges
Sharp edges applies only to bodywork ie corrosion
quote:
Originally posted by DRC INDY 7
Body Condition
Body condition
This part of the examination applies to all vehicles.
4. A sharp edge or projection, caused by corrosion or damage, which renders the vehicle dangerous to other road users, including pedestrians
not testable. the sharp edges that would be present in a broken front fog light, would not be in a position whereby if a pedestrian walked past and
brushed against the car, they would get hurt.
The testers manual says the reasons for rejection on inspection of vehicle condition is something like:
A sharp edge or protrusion, caused by damage or corrosion, which makes the vehicle dangerous to other road users, including pedestrians.
So applying a common sense approach to the fog light scenario; Q. Would it make the vehicle dangerous to other road users? A. No, not at all. Q. Would
it make the vehicle dangerous to pedsetrians? A. Immensely highly unlikely.
Advise yes, fail never
Common misconception. Only lights that are testable are the mandatory lighting, as follows; Headlights, side lights, indicators and after 1st April
1986 hazard lights (prior to 1/4/86, cars were not required to have hazards fitted, but if they arethey must work), stop lamps, number plate lamp(s),
rear reflectors and rear fog lamp.
This gets a bit boring with people that have no idea what they are talking about
just contact you're area vosa office like i did to clarify this and you will be told the same
If a mot station fails you on this get in touch with vosa to appeal you will win the case and the mot station will recieve points for incorrect
testing
[Edited on 1/9/2011 by DRC INDY 7]
What to do if you disagree with your test result
If you disagree with your MOT test results, you’ll need to discuss them with an MOT test station representative before anyone carries out repairs to
the vehicle.
Appealing against a failed test result
If you want to appeal against a failed test result, then you’ll need to complete an appeal form ‘VT17’ available from any MOT test station, online or
by ringing VOSA on 0300 123 9000.
MOT test forms Opens new windowYour appeal must be received within 14 working days of the test, and VOSA will need a full test fee from you. VOSA will
then offer you an appointment within five days to recheck your vehicle.
If your appeal is successful, then some or all of the test fee will be refunded to you.
What to do if you think your car has passed incorrectly
These cases usually relate to recently bought vehicles and you should let VOSA know as soon as possible.
Subject to acceptance of the complaint, VOSA will offer an appointment within five working days to recheck your vehicle without charge, provided:
•no more than three months has passed since the MOT test for a corrosion related problem
•no more than 28 days has passed with other defects
The address of your local VOSA office is displayed in the MOT test station or can be obtained from VOSA on 0300 123 9000.
VOSA provide this service as a means of monitoring the MOT Scheme and road safety standards. VOSA can’t seek redress or compensation on your behalf –
although it’s open to you to take action in conjunction with your local Trading Standards department, take out proceedings personally, or refer the
matter to the Police.
VOSA will supply you with the inspection report listing any vehicle defects and advisory items following the check of the vehicle. Any subsequent
action that VOSA may decide to take against the testing station that tested your vehicle will be at VOSA’s discretion and should have no bearing on
any action you may decide to take.
What to do if you think your MOT certificate isn’t genuine
You can check that your MOT certificate is genuine online or by calling the MOT validation line 0870 330 0444. You’ll also be able to check the MOT
status of your car (subject to certain conditions).
Err, its not broken, just not working.....
i know it's just others that have to change the topic when it's not relavent or correct
[Edited on 1/10/2011 by DRC INDY 7]
Typical MOT tester! (dont worry I have 5 in my family)
You may need to remove the dash switch too ? someone will need to clarify that but our 1976 mini has a problem with the hazard lights, indicators are
fine but hazards only work one side, i was advised by MOT man that as long as the switch wasnt on the dash then he wouldnt test it, they wouldnt need
to test hazards as its a pre 1986 vehicle and therefore doesnt need them by law, easy fix, took switch out, plugged back in behind dash as it affects
the indicators if i remove it, got a switch blank, theres already 2 one the dash anyway, took it for MOT and it passed 
One of those jobs i need to 'Get round too' but ide rather finish all my other jobs then start building the kitcar 1st
We only use the mini occassionally anyway.
[Edited on 10/1/11 by Andybarbet]
Information Method of Inspection Reason for rejection
This inspection applies to all direction indicators and hazard warning devices fitted.
Direction indicators and hazard warning lamps are not required to be fitted to vehicles used only during the hours of daylight, which are fitted with
neither front nor rear position lamps, etc. (See 1.1.A) Nor are they required on vehicles first used before 1 January 1936. However, if they are
fitted, they must be tested.
Vehicles first used before 1 September 1965 may have direction indicators incorporated with stop lamps, or combined with side or rear lamps, in which
case front indicators may be white and rear indicators red.
Vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1986 must be fitted with one side repeater indicator on each side. Instead of a separate lamp, the side
repeater might be part of the front direction indicator if it includes a wraparound lens.
Lamps incorporating a side repeater are marked either with an ‘E’ mark in a circle or an ‘e’ mark in a rectangle above which is a number 5.
However, some vehicles are fitted with a wraparound lens with no European approval markings. These can be tested by standing approximately 1000mm to
the side of the vehicle’s rear bumper with the indicator on. If amber light can be seen coming through the front lens (not a reflection) this is
acceptable.
A. Flashing Type
1. Check the presence, security and operation of the selector switch.
2. Operate the left and right direction indicators in turn and check:
a. the driver’s ‘tell tale’ warning device for presence and operation
b. that the minimum number of direction indicators are securely fitted
Note: The precise position of direction indicators is not part of the inspection, but check visually that the lamps are at about the same height and
the same distance from each side of the vehicle.
c. they are in good working order
Note: At least 50% of light sources in a lamp must illuminate and at least 50% of a lamp must be visible from the front, rear or side as appropriate
d. that every direction indicator emits amber light (except vehicles first used before 1 September 1965)
e. the flashing rate
f. they are not adversely affected by the operation of any other lamp.
Note: It may be necessary to run the engine when checking the flashing rate 1. A selector switch missing, insecure, faulty, or not able to be
operated from the normal driving position.
2. A direction indicator:
a. ‘tell tale’ missing or inoperative
b. missing, insecure, obviously incorrectly positioned or does not face to the front, rear or side as appropriate
c. inoperative, excessively damaged, deteriorated or obscured so that they are not visible from a reasonable distance
Note: An effective proprietary repair (e.g. lens repair tape, etc.) must be assessed on its merits considering security, colour, light output and
durability.
d. shows light of an incorrect colour e. does not flash at 60 to 120 times per minute
f. adversely affected by the operation of another lamp e.g. dual function lamps on foreign vehicles.
1.4 Page 2
Direction indicator ‘tell tales’ may be audible or visual. A ‘tell-tale’ is not required if one or more direction indicators on each side can be seen
by the driver from the driver’s seat.
Hazard warning devices are not required on vehicles first used before 1 April 1986, but if one is fitted it must be tested.
The hazard warning lamp ‘tell tale’ may be a separate light or the same as the indicator ‘tell-tale. However, it must be a flashing light.
Tricycle and quadricycle requirements are detailed at Section 9.1.
A semaphore arm must illuminate when in operation. It may flash, but is not required to do so.
B. Hazard Warning Device
1. Check that the hazard warning device:
a. operates using only one switch
b. switch for presence, security and operation
c. ‘tell-tale’ is working correctly
d. operates all the direction indicators simultaneously with the ignition switched both on and off.
C. Semaphore Type
1. Operate the direction indicators and check:
a. the operation of each indicator
b. that every direction indicator emits an amber light
c. selector switch presence, security, condition and operation.
2. Check the correct operation of the ‘tell-tale’
1. A hazard warning device
a. operated by more than one switch
b. switch missing, insecure or faulty
c. ‘tell-tale’ not working correctly
d. does not cause all the direction indicators to flash simultaneously, with the ignition both on and off.
1. A semaphore arm
a. does not extend or retract smoothly
b. does not show an amber light to the front and rear
c. a selector switch missing, insecure or faulty.
2. The ‘tell-tale’ is missing or not working correctly.