locoR1
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 06:25 PM |
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Wideband air/fuel ratio gauges
Hope this is in the right section!
Just started looking into wideband gauges for setting up my turbocharged carbed R1 motor.
Have found the innovate motorsport, ngk, and a few others on Ebay seem to be cheaper from the USA!
Anybody know about what percentage import tax I would be looking at? And do they rip you of with tax on the postage as well?
I would be gratefull for peoples opinions / experiences as I know nothing about them apart from what I have recently read any advice would be
gratefully received!
Dave....................
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nitram38
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 06:38 PM |
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I managed to get one for £210 delivered instead of the £290 over here.
The seller put "sample" on the postal sticker.
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locoR1
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 06:51 PM |
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Was thinking of asking them the same thing when I've made the decision of which one to get.
I must admit I do like the look of the innovate XD-16 gauge but the NGK is a lot cheaper
Dave..........
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nitram38
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 06:55 PM |
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Got it from this ebay seller: ericsperformanceparts
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locoR1
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 06:57 PM |
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Cheers for that will try him if I go for an innovate
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dilley
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 06:59 PM |
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Have you got any more pics on your turbo install? rad/intercoolere etc, can you give me some info on what youve done??
Andrew.
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locoR1
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 07:15 PM |
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Will put a few more in my archive later!
Haven't got many my PC crashed last weekend loosing all my build pics
Must remember to back them up in future!
Rough spec:
Td04-15g turbo from Volvo t5
1.7mm head gasket from holeshot
Cam timing reset
Chargecooler from calibra turbo
Home made manifold, exhaust, and plenum
Most of my information has came from Here:
http://www.turbo-bike.net/
http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45323
Dave..................
[Edited on 4/3/07 by locoR1]
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dilley
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 07:19 PM |
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looks like a tidy job
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Kev99
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 07:25 PM |
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Hi Bro
I bet your gutted u lost that lot
I gather u will backed them up straight away know not when u feel like it.
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locoR1
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 07:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Kev99
Hi Bro
I bet your gutted u lost that lot
I gather u will backed them up straight away know not when u feel like it.
I just knew you would come along to take the piss
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jambojeef
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 07:34 PM |
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Have been looking at the same thing myself!
Shame wideband is so expensive - would be good to try and get a group buy maybe?
Geoff
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 07:44 PM |
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One of the East Anglia guys works for Bosche, maybe he could arrange something? Pity I can't remember who !
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dilley
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 07:46 PM |
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It would be nice to find out a price, or if rustynuts buys one I could buy him a beer
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locoR1
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 07:50 PM |
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I'm interested depending on price make ect
Dave...........
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froggy
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 07:51 PM |
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innovate works well i rigged it up to my tl to see how it fuels under load and it seems pretty accurate . the only comparison i can make is with my
sun emmisions machine which gave the same lambda readings as the innovate at idle and fast idle but obviously not under load
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locoR1
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 07:57 PM |
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I'm heading towards the innovate but don't really need all its features,
Would be nice to know how the cheaper units perform in comparison!
Has anybody use the NGK ect?
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miegru
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 08:33 PM |
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Are you planning to use it a lot? For my first seven I found a garage that was willing to let me use their analyser. Had to stay on their premises but
it costs me only a crate of beer...
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the_fbi
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 09:12 PM |
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I've recently bought a Innovate LC-1 from the USA. Came to around £103 delivered.
Worst case you'll get hit for 4% duty and 17.5% VAT (possibly also for an admin charge of ~£12 depending on who delivers it, but only possible
if you get hit for duty/vat).
Even if you get hit for all 3, it works out cheaper than from the UK.
Easy to get stuff from the US without getting hit as long as the seller puts notes it as a gift of sub $40, or a sample of no commercial value, etc
etc.
Got a new exhaust manifold from the US this week for the focus. Was £170 delivered, in the UK it would have been an easy £350 for a mild steel
version.
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froggy
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 09:14 PM |
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the only problem with that is you can only tell whats happening without load on the engine .for what it does and just for being able to save a turbo
engine from cooking itself its a bargain. the v3 msns uses a wideband lambda so perhaps some clever person can take enough electricery from the ms to
create a locost wideband reader as ms comes in component form how much would you need just to build a reader,i have no idea hance i bought one ready
made
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martyn_16v
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 09:31 PM |
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MS doesn't drive a wideband sensor itself though, it still needs an external controller to interface. There was a DIY-WBO2 project on the go a
while back, but it used a hideously expensive (~200 squids) sensor and the boards aren't available any more either, although you could probably
make your own if you're the kind of person that likes to do everything the hard way.
Techedge do DIY wideband kits and gauges that work out pretty cheap in proper money, but as has already been mentioned
with the p1ss poor dollar at the moment you can't go far wrong ordering anything from the US 
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stevebubs
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| posted on 4/3/07 at 11:16 PM |
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If you want to source one in the UK, I don't know of a cheaper source than Bill Shurvinton
bill at shurvinton.fsworld.co.uk
If you drop him a line with your requirements then I'm sure he'll suggest something suitable (Innovate etc)
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stevebubs
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| posted on 5/3/07 at 12:15 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by froggy
the only problem with that is you can only tell whats happening without load on the engine .for what it does and just for being able to save a turbo
engine from cooking itself its a bargain. the v3 msns uses a wideband lambda so perhaps some clever person can take enough electricery from the ms to
create a locost wideband reader as ms comes in component form how much would you need just to build a reader,i have no idea hance i bought one ready
made
I think there's already a couple of kits floating around. Don't think they cost much less than a complete LC-1 though when you factor in
the cost of the sensor on top.
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 5/3/07 at 07:48 PM |
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According to Dave Walkers book on engine management it's possible to use a multimeter connected to a lambda sensor to read mixture . Not sure if
he mean a wide band or not ?
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the_fbi
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| posted on 5/3/07 at 08:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
According to Dave Walkers book on engine management it's possible to use a multimeter connected to a lambda sensor to read mixture . Not sure if
he mean a wide band or not ?
Certainly will work on a narrowband. Will fluctuate between 0v and 1v.
Good url for info.
http://www.zx2racing.com/pages/articles/o2sensors.htm
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DarrenW
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| posted on 9/3/07 at 09:25 AM |
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Can i just ask a thicko question?
If you already have a AFR gauge and want a wideband sensor and controller, does this mean, for example, if you go on innovate site you only need to
buy the LC-1?
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc1.php
$199?
If so this is far cheaper than i originally assumed they were.
Cheers,
Darren.
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