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big_wasa

posted on 19/4/16 at 06:34 PM Reply With Quote
Do a search on google as there are thousands of photos to show the location.

Ford replacement engines don't have a number. Ford techs where meant to stamp the old number on when changing the engine. As the customer was never going to see it most never bothered.

They rust to the point you can't see it.

Either way if can not prove engine age you will have to pass the post 95 test and fit a cat.

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the_big_1

posted on 19/4/16 at 06:43 PM Reply With Quote
I found it lol it was under a lot of crud.

Looks like:

NGA VDZ1130 ?


Many, many thanks for your help.

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big_wasa

posted on 19/4/16 at 07:04 PM Reply With Quote
November 1997

Last of the silvertops

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the_big_1

posted on 19/4/16 at 07:05 PM Reply With Quote
Damn lol
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the_big_1

posted on 19/4/16 at 07:08 PM Reply With Quote
Looks like a new engine or should I say find an older engine lol.
Not enough room to put the injection back on and no one will seperate the injection off another car.

Unless there is a way to jet carbs, fit after market CAT and map ECU to get through emissions.

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big_wasa

posted on 19/4/16 at 07:38 PM Reply With Quote
Problem is adjusting the fuelling over the Rev range. The carbs will eventually ruin the cat with unburnt fuel. You could try air injection into the cat to burn of the extra fuel.

Iva is somthing like £450 and somthing like £100 for a retest. I would want to be sure.

A pre Aug 95 engine is an even bigger gamble being over 20 years old and desirable for the same reasons you want one. I wouldn't bother.

[Edited on 19/4/16 by big_wasa]

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the_big_1

posted on 19/4/16 at 07:43 PM Reply With Quote
So it looks like bin the carbs or bin the engine or both. Guess its a nightmare trying to fit the injection system and manifold in the engine bay?
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big_wasa

posted on 19/4/16 at 07:54 PM Reply With Quote
I use the oem ecu's. As they start on the button, run well hot or cold and they work well on the road and best of all cost very little even less when you have no mapping costs. Fits fine with manufactured plenum.

I don't think you will get carbs through Iva on a post 95 engine but I am happy to be proved wrong.


Instead of carbs you can use Bike throttle body's and megasquirt.

Dig deeper for jenveys and stand alone management.

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the_big_1

posted on 19/4/16 at 08:00 PM Reply With Quote
Do you think it would be a major job swapping out the 2.0l Ztec on carbs and replacing with a 2.0l Zetec with all its injection?
So if I got a donner car say a 2003, it should all go in?

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the_big_1

posted on 19/4/16 at 08:06 PM Reply With Quote
Would throttle boddies and mega squirt pass IVA on my 2.0l ztec, guess I would need CAT too, so would a donner car and injection, CAT be the less exspensive route?
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big_wasa

posted on 19/4/16 at 08:17 PM Reply With Quote
2003 Mondeo is a Duratec, then you need bell housings and all sorts.

2003 Focus, 1.8/2.0 would be a blacktop Zetec.

If your engine is good use it.

Yes bike tb's and megasquirt can be tuned to meet Iva.

Hell yes oem is cheaper, I can install a Zetec with oem bits cheaper than you would pay for fuel to take yours with tb's to get the megasquirt mapped. But the tb's will give another 20bhp.

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the_big_1

posted on 19/4/16 at 08:22 PM Reply With Quote
So going off I have a good engine, would you throttle boddies and megasquirt is the way to go or get say a 2.0l focus donner car for around £400 would be a better route?
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the_big_1

posted on 19/4/16 at 08:29 PM Reply With Quote
I can find a few Ztec 2.0l focus for betweem £150 - £300.
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big_wasa

posted on 19/4/16 at 08:31 PM Reply With Quote
Me ? Neither.

But I am not you. I buy the bits where I find them and fit them. A scrap Mondeo is worth around £20 at the moment. I would want a years mot for £400

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big_wasa

posted on 19/4/16 at 08:37 PM Reply With Quote
I coblled this together from scrap yard bits for beer money ( on top of engine and box) years ago. That engine would pass Iva with a cat and air filter.

It's not the one I fitted. I build them up as a hobby.


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the_big_1

posted on 19/4/16 at 08:51 PM Reply With Quote
What engine is that in the video?

Most of the cars arnt scrap, they are mot'd vehicles, most engines are stand alone, no wiring or ECU etc so cheeper to buy a car at say £250, take off what I need, engine, ECU, wiring etc and sell the rest for scrap.
A throttle body kit is £699 for all new parts.
The sad part is I have the engine but no one would sell the injection bits :0(

Could use:

Ford Focus Ghia 2.0 l 4 door saloon

What Issues would I have using that engine and ECU etc?

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big_wasa

posted on 20/4/16 at 03:29 PM Reply With Quote
The engine in the vid is the same as yours. A 2.0 Zetec.

I find all my bits via eblag or the scrap yard. But yes if you wanted to go with oem injection a donor car would get you lots of bits to play with. It will need repackaging and the more you make the less it costs.

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the_big_1

posted on 20/4/16 at 04:12 PM Reply With Quote
Wish I could use my engine but not sure how to get all the bits without getting a diner car. I have no intake system at all other than the bike carbs
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big_wasa

posted on 20/4/16 at 08:42 PM Reply With Quote
Just to point out I havnt said you need, or the only way to do it is oem injection. It is one cheap affective way of doing it.

You need to find your self an ecu and the related sensors. Stick to silvertop sensors for a silvertop ecu. And blacktop for a blacktop ecu.

Packaging issues. Assuming we are talking about sticking this in a 7 ? And as its already in there we will ignor sumps and starters and all them bits.

Inlet manifolds. For a silvertop there are two types. The plastic one you have linked to and the alloy one from an escort as fitted to the engine in my vid. The alloy one sticks out of the bonet. Google tiger Avon, blue one. Westfield fitted the plastic one and routed the steering column and chassis brace around it. Google Westfield, there is a yellow one for sale with some great pics of the oem set up.

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big_wasa

posted on 20/4/16 at 08:53 PM Reply With Quote
http://www.sovereigncarsales.co.uk/Replicas_gridpos1.aspx

Yellow Avon.

And mine with a custom plenum

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=174800

[Edited on 20/4/16 by big_wasa]

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the_big_1

posted on 20/4/16 at 09:06 PM Reply With Quote
Is there a differance between the black top manifold and the silver top? A new black top manifold with all new parts, injectors etc is half the price of a second hand silver top manifold lol
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big_wasa

posted on 20/4/16 at 09:19 PM Reply With Quote
Silvertop uses side fed injectors blacktop uses end fed injectors. Throttle position sensors are differant.

Both will work on your engine but use an ecu that relates to the sensors and not just the age of the engine.

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the_big_1

posted on 20/4/16 at 09:26 PM Reply With Quote
So the black top manifold will work, is the genral layout the same as in throttle body position.

Which sensors would be required?

Crank and cam or are the silver top the same?
TPS is on the manifold.

I could hunt the scrappers for a black top Ztec wiring harness and ECU.


New OE Ford 2.0 16V ZETEC Inlet Manifold + injectors + fuel rail 1998 2005

Or would buying the following turn out to be a better cost effective route?

Ford Focus Ghia 2.0 l 4 door saloon

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coozer

posted on 20/4/16 at 09:52 PM Reply With Quote
Get on eBay and buy a TIS CD. That will have all the wiring diagrams you need for old and new!





1972 V8 Jago

1980 Z750

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big_wasa

posted on 21/4/16 at 12:03 PM Reply With Quote
Crank and cam sensors cross over so you can use either on either engine.

The focus in general uses a 60 pin ecu the mondeo after 97 uses a 104 pin ecu in general for the zetec. There are exceptions to this as Ford was very much a parts bin special sort of place.

You would pick up loads of information by having a read through old posts on this forum.

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