MakeEverything
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 06:39 PM |
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Why cant i make my mind up??
So heres my Dilemma.
When i started my build, i bought the 2.9 early so that i could make dure it fits.
Long story short, i bought a Dutton which has the 1300 Xflow in it.
Ive since bought a spare 1300 Xflow block, crank and +.090" pistons which are already fitted.
I tried to sell the V6 on fleabay, but TBH i wasnt that interested in getting rid as i really like the engine. I became addicted when i had my 2.8
capri and always wanted to fit one to a kit car.
So. Here are my two optons.
Rebuild the spare engine to a high spec, to cost around £400, and end up with a sweet Xflow 1460cc pushing around 100-120hp+. I would use the old
engine as spares, and rebuild it then sell, leaving me with the better engine. Thanks 200mph for the manifold, and RustyNuts for the head offer (no
jokes please!!!).
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Fit the Cologne V6 knowing ill have to move the engine mounts, make a custom exhaust, fit the inlet manifold and carbs etc (which is uncharted
territory for me), and get 150hp from the standard engine.
I know (Mr Henderson  ) that ive bored wveryone with these questions before, but this time ill be a bit more scientific in my search and provide the
poll above!
As above, i have always wanted to put a cologne V6 into a kit car, so by doing so would put a big tick in the box for me, especially as i abandoned
the scratch build.
Both options allow for a period of "Tidy Time" whereby the additional space where the engine would sit would be handy for tidying wiring,
cleaning / upgrading front brakes and suspension, replacement bushes etc. so either way the existing engine needs to come out before or after it goes
bang.
So there is the case your honour. Look forward to your constructive comments.
There is a third option in the wings, which is a new RV8 with stage 2 heads, but lets keep it simple for now! 
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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adithorp
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 06:43 PM |
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You need another option...
adrian
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 06:47 PM |
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And I thought one of the poll options would have been "Cos I'm an indecisive Jessie" 
On face value it's a no brainer to me to fit the v6, you want to use it, plus there's more power. However does that more power mean more
speed as the xflow is a lighter engine and 30hp down...
Apparently (sez people on here) the Rv8 is about the same power so unless you've getting a damn good one...
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Gazeddy
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 06:52 PM |
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Personally xflow because the cologne is mad heavy in comparison
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02GF74
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 07:01 PM |
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i vote crossflow too.
if you want V engine, then go to rover v8.
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Paul (Notts)
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 07:01 PM |
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put the xflow in and save up for a RV8 in a few years
Paul
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 07:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
And I thought one of the poll options would have been "Cos I'm an indecisive Jessie"
Lol, Love you too!!!
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 07:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
And I thought one of the poll options would have been "Cos I'm an indecisive Jessie"
Lol, Love you too!!!
I thought it was a poll about why you couldn't decide!!
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mookaloid
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 07:37 PM |
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if you are going to spend £400 then why not get something like
this Zetec ?
Cheers
Mark
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 07:42 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mookaloid
if you are going to spend £400 then why not get something like
this Zetec ?
Cheers
Mark
Ironically, thats next door to the place that i bought the V6 from.
I could spend £250 buying that and getting it home, to install it and find a whole host of problems, maybe.
Whereas if i spend the money rebuilding the engine, i know that theres nothing wrong with it, probably
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 07:50 PM |
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1600 x flow would be better than a 1300!
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prawnabie
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 08:01 PM |
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id get a 1600 block/head and use the pistons in that!
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whitestu
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 08:37 PM |
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Neither - fit a Zetec.
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Rek
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 08:38 PM |
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Im Biased (I have a 1600 xflow dutton). I think it's the perfect engine for the car. it would be an easy swap too.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 08:42 PM |
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Isn't the 1300 xflow a requirement for some race category? Use that and race it
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clairetoo
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 08:49 PM |
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I'd look at it this way - the v6 makes 50% more power , but weighs about three times as much as the crossflow.........add to that a second
exhaust , and a bit of extra bracing to cope with the heavy engine - it's a no-brainer
Go with the crossflow - or a lighter V6
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 09:00 PM |
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As above (a long way above), you need a third (much, much lighter) option.............
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 09:20 PM |
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If you are determined to use one of these two, it would be the crossflow everytime for me. The old V6 boat anchors sound lovely, and they have plenty
of torque for dragging big Granadas around, but they weigh as much as a small planet.
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Staple balls
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 09:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Colin Chapman
To add speed, add lightness.
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jimmyjoebob
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 10:08 PM |
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My choice would be the 2.9 v6 - after all, it has the correct number of cylinders!
I cannot believe it weighs three times as much as a crossflow.
If at first you don't succeed, hide all evidence you ever tried!
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zilspeed
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| posted on 12/7/09 at 10:22 PM |
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You definitely need a third option.
Last choice for me would be the V6 - that V6. Nice alloy quad cam V6 with 24 valves is a different matter altogether.
Unless you actually want an understeering monster.
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Canada EH!
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I understand your predicament, I started with a 2.6 Cologne Capri donor (bought it new). Then found a Toyota Corolla GTS, (4age) which is what I am
now using, still have the V6.
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CGILL
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| posted on 13/7/09 at 04:49 AM |
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To make the most of the V6, you would need to give it longer legs - about a 3.4 diff ratio, with a 4.11 or 3.89 diff like with the 1300 it would rev
it's nuts off, the long legs make use of the torque through the gears and being able to stay in gear longer - this is what would make a faster
car.
The cologne doesn't like to go above 6000 rpm and would suck with a low diff ratio.
The cologne ain't that heavy, not much different to a pinto. The essex V6 on the other hand would weigh as much as a second locost stacked on
top.
With the right gearing, this would be a lot of fun, especially on long winding roads - ooooohhh yeaaaaah!
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 13/7/09 at 06:16 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by CGILL
To make the most of the V6, you would need to give it longer legs - about a 3.4 diff ratio, with a 4.11 or 3.89 diff like with the 1300 it would rev
it's nuts off, the long legs make use of the torque through the gears and being able to stay in gear longer - this is what would make a faster
car.
The cologne doesn't like to go above 6000 rpm and would suck with a low diff ratio.
The cologne ain't that heavy, not much different to a pinto. The essex V6 on the other hand would weigh as much as a second locost stacked on
top.
With the right gearing, this would be a lot of fun, especially on long winding roads - ooooohhh yeaaaaah!
Exactly my thoughts.
Jimmyjoebob, i dont think it does weigh three times as much. I remember from a previous post on the same subject, that its slightly more than a
pinto?? Thanks again for coming through with the manifold and carb. Just sorry that i may not use them after all!!
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 13/7/09 at 06:19 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
Unless you actually want an understeering monster.
The suspension geometry would definitely need tweaking to avoid that as much as possible, but TBH its shite at the moment so needs doing anyway!
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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