mistergrumpy
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| posted on 1/12/07 at 09:51 PM |
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Battery Problems (again!)
Tried my new battery this morning, its a 12V 14ah lead acid job and the fuel pump or a relay clicked but that was it. So I tried my bike battery which
is a 12V 12ah gel type and this started it fine. Whats wrong with t'other one? Is it too highly powered or summat. The ZX9 standard battery is a
12V 8ah.
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nitram38
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| posted on 1/12/07 at 09:53 PM |
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Sounds like it is dead or duff.
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worX
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| posted on 1/12/07 at 09:54 PM |
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the extra 2ah shouldn't stop it starting (?) so I would go with Nitram's guess first...
Steve
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 1/12/07 at 10:06 PM |
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No its brand new, just got it from the battery factory and filled it up with acid, charged it on the unfeasibly expensive Oximiser thing and the
voltage and everything is there and full.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 1/12/07 at 10:45 PM |
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or it's not charging, if it's 12v see if it gets to 14v likewise if it's a 6v should be about 7 or 8.
Winter is usually when folk find the alternator isn't working properly due to the lights being on more.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 1/12/07 at 10:47 PM |
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Nah the lights are still in the box they arrived in.  I've just banged it on the Oximiser again and it's showing 13.7/8 V. Wierd innit.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 1/12/07 at 11:30 PM |
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I never heard of a battery being too big, so long as the voltage is enough and there's enough current available it makes no difference. Maybe
it's just a sticky starter and the motor's cogs getting stuck, it will still click.
[Edited on 1/12/07 by Mr Whippy]
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 1/12/07 at 11:38 PM |
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Nah because it starts fine on my bikes' battery. Come to think I first trial started the engine ages ago off a big Fiesta diesel battery. This
battery I have now is for a Harley.
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RazMan
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| posted on 2/12/07 at 12:09 AM |
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I reckon you've got a knackered battery or its been filled with the wrong acid solution.
A larger battery can only give more current if asked - how are the connections?
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 2/12/07 at 12:12 AM |
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Connections are fine. I can't see how its knackered though when it reads 13+Volts on the multi meter and its holding a charge fine.
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RazMan
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| posted on 2/12/07 at 12:25 AM |
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Try a quick but savage test - short out the terminals with some THICK wire for a second or two. 6mm wire should become very hot, very quickly.
That should give you an idea of the cranking amps available. The terminal voltage is not always a good indicator of the condition of the battery.
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 2/12/07 at 12:34 AM |
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hmm big sparks, glowing wires and hydrogen gas...
I think the battery voltage will plummet when cranking and the battery is not delivering the required current. I’m still favouring the starter
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Macbeast
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| posted on 2/12/07 at 04:30 AM |
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1) Shorting out battery is NOT a very safe thing to do - the wire could weld itself to the battery terminals so you can't get it off in which
case - run cos the battery will probably explode.
2) he tried with new battery and got nothing, THEN tried with bike battery and it started. So it's unlikely to be the starter.
I would put voltmeter across new battery to give 13V reading then connect a reasonably-heavy load like a headlamp bulb across it and watch battery
voltage. If it dives, then battery has high internal resistance and is duff.
Other than that, only thing I can think of is the obvious - do the battery connectors give a tight grip on the new battery ?
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RazMan
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| posted on 2/12/07 at 10:01 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
I’m still favouring the starter
No way can the starter be faulty if it works on another battery.
Your local automotive shop will be able to do a high-tech version of the test then - it is basically the same method but they short out the battery
through a huge ammeter and watch the amps drop over a few seconds. The battery will not explode - an inherent design limitation dictates that the
current will simply dissipate in heat ..... trust me 
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 2/12/07 at 10:03 AM |
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Ah right. I did put the multimeter across and it did have an unreasonably high resistance but I dismissed this as it still had 13 odd volts and its
brand new. This better not be duff, its the second one in two weeks from the same place.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 2/12/07 at 10:55 AM |
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You need to do a voltage test under load ---- in car version of this is the cranking voltage test .
However to me it sounds like you had a duff connection.
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 2/12/07 at 11:27 AM |
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Mr BT you may be right. I've just gone and tried the battery yet again and for some reason it started first time.  I'm not complaining
now, first time with my new exhaust on as well. Woo hoo, just got to sort that leak but I've got to go to work. Boo 
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