Discovery one, a programme about "Did man land on the moon?" on now 2100 friday eve 06jan 2005
I for one believe they did, any other thoughts ?
ie yes or no , no halfway answers here !
regards
steve
[Edited on 6/1/06 by steve m]
i think they probably did but that the moonlanding video was filmed in a studio
there are several clues that it wasnt real but i wont go into them im sure uve all heard it before lol
yes but by good luck not judgment
no they did not
oh yes they did.
(i was there)
"no they did not"
posted by iceman,
out of curisoty how old are you
as my son, 27 year old refuses to believe that the Americans have ever, let alone in 1969 landed on the moon,
and it seems that the younger generation do not believe
I as a 9 yr old in 1969 remember the apollo missions to the moon and I believe it !!!
but I could be wrong,
I believe that they wanted to go to the moon and I believe that they tried their best.
I do not trust their government and I believe that they would have faked it rather than admit defeat, even to the point of fooling NASA by relaying
data to Earth by satelite, simulating the lander.
The Americans tried to make a Concorde beater and failed. They tried to make a Harrier and failed. Could they really make a moon lander?
People say that they didn't have the technology in the 60s and so couldn't have. I'm not so sure. we're a bit lazy with all the
technology we have. we could achieve a lot more if we tried as hard as people did pre-computers.
Did they get to the moon? Maybe?
[Edited on 6-1-2006 by smart51]
I think they did, but I'm sure there's a lot we'll never know i.e. how many photos were faked for PR purposes in the cold war etc.
Would have loved to have been involved in the space program though!
Jim
Edited to say I agree with the above comment that it was probably more luck than anything else. The Americans had real problems right up to the launch
of the Apollo 11. Technically the Russians were far superior (and they were right into the 1970's!!!).
[Edited on 6/1/06 by Jim Young]
No way....but as for little blokes in funny space ships
Will it make a difference.... errrmmm
NO!
The earth is flat, and the moon is a hologram.
i dont beleive that people could actually think it was faked.
Like, after 36 years, no one from the program has come forward, sold their story and said, yup, it was all a put on.
Just cos you were not alive to see it on tv and experience it at the time doesnt mean that it didnt happen.
Many of you think that a man walked on the earth 2000 years ago, and claimed to be the son of god (im not expressing a belief either way here) and
have based your life on this cos it says in ancient scriptures that he did, but something that happend 6 times in the 70's, was highly documented
and had 1000s of people in on the act, can be doubted.
daft
atb
steve
if it was fake i think the russians would of found out by now
James
BEHAVE
mate
steve
james i beleive the correct reply is sorry mum 
Perhaps we could build a Locost space ship with a Cosworth YB engine in it? Or would it be too heavy?
Hicost will supply computor and motive power
JB (grandad) will supply metal, big garage
and lighter /fags for departure method
Bob + Daz
will supply a tow bar, tea biscuits, sandwiches
I will provide heated seats, with carpeted floor and pretty instrumentation
any one else like to offer some form of help
money donations preferred !!
Oh they definitely did, Kennedy was inspired by a much earlier Haynes book -
"Build your own space rocket for 5 Trillion Dollars and fly it"
I'm sure the Author was a young guy called Champion and you made it out of a donor V2
- Alan
Steve have you been drinking again 
The only bit i dont believe is that stevem is only 1 year older than me
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Originally posted by steve m
"no they did not"
posted by iceman,
out of curisoty how old are you
as my son, 27 year old refuses to believe that the Americans have ever, let alone in 1969 landed on the moon,
and it seems that the younger generation do not believe
I as a 9 yr old in 1969 remember the apollo missions to the moon and I believe it !!!
but I could be wrong,
I too remember all the propaganda when I was young (I am 6 years older than you Steve). We were young and impressionable, and
believed what our elders/teachers/parents told us. perhaps you were out when they called?....
They are out there....
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Originally posted by graememk
if it was fake i think the russians would of found out by now
They had a program on Discovery some time ago that looked at the pro's and con's, of this subject. All of the items that were brought up
regarding the filming, were looked at in depth, and in the end it was stated catagoricaly that the pictures were genuine. So for my money yes they
did. As for little green/grey men, I definately know they are about, I've seen em! mind you I was well p*£$%d at the time.
I was ten and very interested in the "moon landing"; but I find the evidence against compelling.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Not the moon hoax! Not here!...
This tired but reasonably popular, and ultimately amusing conspiracy theory is based on (like most of them) appalling photographic and video analysis,
laughable pseudo-science waffle, and reams of self indulgent (on the part of leading proponents) conspiratorial yarn-spinning. Like most conspiracy
theories there is no real supporting original evidence, just misinterpretation and refuting of select pieces of media relating to the real event.
All of the so called evidence supporting the hoax, including what is periodically spewed afresh in re-runs of old and massively flawed one-sided
'documentaries', is easily debunked and already flogged to death.
Bad Astronomy is a good sight generally if you're into that sort of think, and their section on the
Moon Hoax is one of the most thorough.
Another couple of links here and
here.
I find it genuinely soothing to read stuff like this written by intelligent and rational people who really seek and respect the truth. The
conspiracy claims, on the other hand are at least far more amusing. For example...
"To look at the design of the lunar module and think that it actually entered a lunar orbit and docked with the command module is absolutely
ludicrous!" Hmmm - I think he's onto something there. What incredible intuition!
"The modern Space Shuttle can go no further than 400 miles above the Earth's surface. To think that man travelled 240,000 miles to the moon
with 1960's technology is laughable!" Ummmm - i believe the space shuttle isn't designed to go any further than 400 miles (low earth
orbit).
The power of all these bs conspiracy theories is that it's so easy to present seemingly startling 'evidence' in easily digestible
bullet point form, with no detailed explanation and have it lapped up by gullible people. Even more so if it is sugar coated in anti-government spin
- it's an unfortunate, but undeniable fact that certain government behaviour of recent decades has made anything anti-government (US in
particular) rather fashionable, especially among us youngsters. Introduce some pseudo-science technobabble and even intelligent (though inexperienced
in the relevant fields) people will see credibility in the arguments. Finally, the "anyone with a basic understanding of science can see
that!" line is another technique practically every conspiracy theorist uses just to try and make you feel stupid if any alarm bells of
doubt were ringing.
Any attempt to show the flaws in such 'evidence', on the other hand, requires detailed explanation and a decent appreciation of the
principles involved in the relevant fields - physics, photography etc etc. Most people simply aren't interested in reading this, much less doing
any research of their own, as they rather enjoyed the documentary they just watched and now want to watch Eastenders.
A couple of the strongest points against the hoax theories (and ones that are always conveniently ignored rather than refuted by the theorists) that
dont require any deep analysis...
No celebrity today can hide an affair for more than a few weeks. No film/software studio can stop details of works in production leaking out.
Hundreds of thousands of people worked on the space program. Is it in the slightest bit feasible that the silence of all these people (who live in a
democratic country that actively enforces freedeom of speech) could have been bought/demanded, and that this silence has stood up so steadfastly for
over 35 years? Yeah right!
Whatever other good came out of it, America's space program was principly in place to beat the Soviets to the moon. Also, it is irrefutable (and
not refuted by the hoax theories) that the Apollo astronauts went up in a Saturn V and came down in the command module. That they would have gotten
away with lapping the earth for several days instead of going to the moon, under the gaze of every Soviet satellite capable of watching them is simply
laughable. If there was any way the Soviets could have blown the lid on the hoax they would have done. In actual fact, the Soviets (as well as
countless amateur radio operators from every developped country) tracked them all the way to the moon, and even congratulated them on a job well
done.
Anyway, sorry for the ranting, but as somebody interested in real science, crap like this and it's chief proponents actually offend me.
But not to worry, because Smart-1 ought to soon be in it's final science orbit and start snapping away at the moon's surface.
Shouldn't be too long before we get some nice colour piccies of the landing sites of all the apollos and the various soviet unmanned probes .
Of course the hoax believers have already dismissed days of video footage, tens of thousands of photographs, and hundreds of kilograms of moon rock,
so some new photos aren't likely to change anything! And lets face it, ESA is probably in on the hoax too . Maybe some will move on to the
face/city/big worms on Mars, or good old Planet X, but this one will never die!
The truth is out there. Wooo-ooh-ooh-ooh (unfortunately it takes some searching for - it's much easier to be spoon-fed bull**it).
Liam 
[Edited on 7/1/06 by Liam]
I notice a couple of people think the Americans didn't have the expertise to send people to the moon.
Of course they did, they had their own experienced rocket team who had been producing succesful rockets and missiles for years. The Germans.
Wernher Von Braun and his 120 associates magically escaped any repercussions for being good nazis and creating weapons of indiscriminate civilian
slaughter by moving to the US under the protection of the government.
The Saturn launchers were just larger V2's
If people honestly think that something so big and well covered was faked then I honestly fear for the future of the human race...
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If people honestly think that something so big and well covered was faked then I honestly fear for the future of the human race...
Of course they bl**dy did.
I would have thought the main reasons for not going back are:
1. They went a number of times and discovered a dead planet.
2. It costs bucket loads of cash and the Soviet Union has already been defeated.
Much of the denial smacks of anti-Americanism. Von Braun and his team were genius's. Stalin missed a trick there.
Neil.
p.s. Elvis wasn't in his coffin and the real Paul McCartney died in the 60's and was replaced by a clone. John Lennon says "I buried
Paul" on the end of Strawberry Fields, so it's literal interpretation must absolutely be true.
All trips to the moon have been suppressed by the cheese industry, didn't you know? Same as the oil industry with alternate power supplies being kept under wraps they do not want competitors to find this alternate supply of cheap moon cheese, thereby bringing their empire to its' knees and causing world wide market crashes. Anyway the view is good but from what I've heard there's just no atmosphere.
Well I never witnessed either World Wars as I wasn't born so they obviously didn't happen now did they! All the people who lost theirs
lives, they were just actors in a studio surely! All the information and footage of those major events is fake too isn't it?
The "it didn't happen" brigade make me puke. Just because they have such small and boring lives they have to try to pull everyone down
to their level. Well grow the f*** up people. I'm no major fan of American hype and big-headedness but they have the resources to achieve some
pretty major things, not least annialating humanity, so for one I believe they were quite capable of taking men to the moon and back.
They've not gone back because it's expensive. In the '60s tax payers didn't mind because they were "beating the
russkies", these days they do mind and don't want to spend money on "pointless extravagance". I don't think expanding the
human races horizons is pointless as we are killing this planet and it won't last forever. For any parents out there you'd surely not deny
your children a prosperus life would you?
So let's stop debating about the past and "get out there" to the future. I'm off to weld a moon rocket together... hell I may go
further and shoot at Mars instead!
Oh and, no offence!
I remember getting the afternoon off school so we could all go home and watch on telly.
Of course they went there, but it HAD to be for military purposes, and not what we were being fed.
And who's to say they still don't go there regularly???
I used to work at a place called Titusville, across the waterway from the Cape, and many shuttles went up that were not publicised. What for?? Routine
satellite maintenance was the explanation.
Syd.
Having been round round cape carnivial and stood along side one of the apollo rockets, I belive that they did go to the moon, But If they could produce photograpths from hubble or other telescopes of the moon showing that the flags or the moon buggies as i do not think they brought them back this would help prove it.
quote:
Originally posted by hicost
quote:
Originally posted by Triton
They are out there....
I usaully find them driving to work in the morning.
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Originally posted by lewis635
quote:
If people honestly think that something so big and well covered was faked then I honestly fear for the future of the human race...
3 Letters for you J.F.K
IF Lee Harvey Oswald was the only Gunman, then i'll drink cocktails by the pool with barrymore.
Never trust the Yanks
And i dont believe they landed on the moon, If they did then why arent we going there now? With all the technology we have.
there's no need for any "testbeds" to develop
new ICBM's, there's nowt on the moon and the Shuttle is designed for "low earth orbit".
No Bob I was not drinking or even drunk
as Ive been at work since 0600 this morning
And yes Bob, you are only 1 year younger than me
steve
quote:
Originally posted by Aboardman
But If they could produce photograpths from hubble or other telescopes of the moon showing that the flags or the moon buggies as i do not think they brought them back this would help prove it.
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Originally posted by Syd Bridge
I used to work at a place called Titusville, across the waterway from the Cape, and many shuttles went up that were not publicised. What for?? Routine satellite maintenance was the explanation.
I watched Armagedon over Christmas and both shuttles went round the moon to get behind the asteroid, are you saying that's not true, did Bruce
Willis die in vain? Stop ruining my illusions will you?
Andy, I know the difference between a shuttle and a normal rocket. Big difference in noise when they go up, as well.
I didn't say the shuttle went and landed on the moon either, but it's got a huge cargo bay.
I don't know if all launches are televised. But the couple which held up the gulf war certainly weren't. They were to put satellites in
place for better communications and GPS coverage of the Gulf area.
But, does any of this REALLYmatter. No. So why get all hot about it??
In reality, the Yanks and Russians are in cahoots with the Venusians, to take over the dilithium mines of Pluto!! True!
Syd.
I am at Titusville off and on from '82-.
Just down the road from AlanB!! I'll get to have a beer one day, Alan.
[Edited on 7/1/06 by Syd Bridge]
Not getting hot at all. Just saying that if you're right and they were full shuttle missions then it'd be fully documented somewhere as the
tax payers will be footing the bill no matter what they were sending up. As you say it's not like they can hide the fact they are sending them
up.
They train crews for at least six months also so if it was going to put spying gear up there then they'd have planned it for a long time. It
isn't like they can just roll it out, hop on board and whoosh.
Doesn't matter in any case, they haven't used an orbiter to go anywhere other than earth orbit. So there!
Buzz Aldrin was seemingly the man who started the suspicion around the moon landing.
Cheers Cita.
wasnt he a toy?! ah, that would be the other buzz...
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Originally posted by Cita
Buzz Aldrin was seemingly the man who started the suspicion around the moon landing.
Cheers Cita.
any way how did the ww2 bomber and a london bus get on the moon ??
it wasnt me
As I mentioned, and so did Liam, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to keep up a fraud involving 10s of thousands of people over 35 years.
How can you ever provide absolute proof of anything.
Haulocaust deniers, on that basis, could be right. Rig up a few death camps, and get really good reasons to execute the nazi's. (I know the
holocaust was real.)
If they wanted to kill Diana, what a daft way to do it. Get a lot of press to chase her, and just hope she crashes, and actually dies in the process.
Would be much easier to get a crazy to kill her.
Which comes on to Ozwald. Wether or not he killed JFK anlone or in cohoots with anyone else has bugger all to do with how legitimate the space program
was! HTF can that be used as a link! JFK not beign killed by Ozwald alone is the only consipracy theory I beleive in. I mean, why would Jack ruby
kill Oswald 'for jackie'. He was a gangster who somehow developed morals?
I also think that there is some anti americanism here.
I can see it looks strange that man landed on the moon with 60s technology, and we havnt gone further - but the budget and the will of the american
public wont allow it. Concorde was 60s technology, and it wasnt a fake (perhaps it was - the mach meter was fake and all the passengers got free
flights if they didnt blow the gaff).
Perhaps even nukes dont exist. The japs were just blanket bombed with conventional weapons as a dirty bomb, and the rest was all made up. Ive never
seen a nuke go off, so surely they dont exist. They havnt been used since 1945, so thats pretty strong proof - the yanks didnt use them when they lost
vietnam or during the gulf war. I think im onto something here
How did the egyptians build the pyramids with 5,000 year old technology - clearly the world was enslaved by people from outer space.
Most conspiracy theories are total bullshyte and the moon landings come right at the top.
atb
steve
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Originally posted by Cita
Buzz Aldrin was seemingly the man who started the suspicion around the moon landing.
Cheers Cita.
Liam posted this link, but here it is again
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
doubters, give it a read, and see if it explains (or supports) and of your doubts.
atb
steve
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Originally posted by Syd Bridge
I didn't say the shuttle went and landed on the moon either, but it's got a huge cargo bay.
The airbiscuit suspension on my secret shedshuttle is far superior to that techy dustbin stuff made at nasa....gets boring landing and beggaring about
on the moon, besides not much cheese left now so hardly worth the effort at times.
That "flag" wasn't there either, the only thing i saw was strange footprints from what looked like a weird dog and some human with odd
shaped feet......
quote:
Originally posted by Syd Bridge
I don't know if all launches are televised. But the couple which held up the gulf war certainly weren't. They were to put satellites in place for better communications and GPS coverage of the Gulf area.