Hi Guys
I have removed my xflow in favour of a silvertop zetec.
The problem i have at present appears to be that my flywheel doesn't fit in the gearbox!
I'll be honest and say i don't know exactly what the flywheel is, but believe it to be a zetec one, and the gearbox is a 5 spd type 9.
I thought that the zetec running gear was supposed to fit straight in, or am i supposed to grind some extra off the bellhousing?
Pics below.
Thanks,
Andy
That looks like a 2.0 flywheel,they dont fit inside a standard type9
bellhousing.
You need the flywheel from a 1.8 to mate them up.
Andy
from a search on the number (928M6398) stamped on the flywheel i'm getting a 1.8 flywheel....?
I have a couple of spare 1.8 flyweels in the garage.
I'll just nip out and check....
Andy
thanks very much!
quote:
Originally posted by lotusmadandy
That looks like a 2.0 flywheel,they dont fit inside a standard type9
bellhousing.
You need the flywheel from a 1.8 to mate them up.
Andy
Ok,from both 1.8 flywheels i get the no........928M 6398AG
From both 2.0 flyweels i have i get the no...928M 6398CB
Hope this helps,
Andy
not at all, mine's a 928M 6398 AE!
Thanks anyway!
I dont want to sound stupid or anything but is that defo
a standard type9 bellhousing?
Again i have a couple and it doesnt look like either.
Andy
well that's the other consideration i guess... i know little about them tbh.
It was mated to a crossflow before i removed it, otherwise i know that it's a 5 spd.
Are there stamps or something somewhere on the gearbox/bellhousing to identify it?
Cast into the rear bottom face of the housing is,71BB 7505AC
Andy
What release bearing do you have fitted. For a zetec to type 9 you need the CTT133 release bearing.
Matt
i don't know what the release bearing fitted is but i'm well aware of the need for the 133!
i'll check the casting on the bell housing.....
i don't know what the release bearing fitted is but i'm well aware of the need for the 133!
i'll check the casting on the bell housing.....
Your flywheel part number is off a 1.6L Zetec engine. This may explain a few things.
Looks like an ali bellhousing? Looks different to a type 9.
I may be wrong but if it came with the crossflow its a type 4 bellhousing or something special.
That looks like a MK2 RS bellhousing with the clutch lever side chopped off. In standard guise the bell is symetrical and the clutch is operated by a
cable through the front of the case,
It looks like someone has chopped off the bulge, left it open at the side, and welded in a straight piece to make good on the mounting face
it is an ali bellhousing, can't see any signs of any welding on it though...
im no expert , but i can see the bottom weld
on the left of pic
http://wiki.retro-rides.org/(S(51duebaleztbsz45fqdyhmjc))/Type%209%20Conversion.ashx
Have a look here for bellhousings - fitting a type 9 into a MK2 Escort
What u need is type 9 bellhousing, standard cast one which go for nothing regular on here or a new ali job from the the likes of retroford, burtons etc, circa £200
oh balls, looks like i need a bellhousing then.
Anyone got one spare? cheaper the better!
quote:
Originally posted by pekwah1
oh balls, looks like i need a bellhousing then.
Anyone got one spare? cheaper the better!
is £26 pounds reasonable for a cast housing?
i've found one where i live....
quote:
Originally posted by pekwah1
is £26 pounds reasonable for a cast housing?
i've found one where i live....
For info a standard 2.0 Zetec flywheel will definately fit inside a standard type 9 bellhousing. That`s what`s in my car!
i wouln't pay more than £5 max!
quote:
Originally posted by snippy
For info a standard 2.0 Zetec flywheel will definately fit inside a standard type 9 bellhousing. That`s what`s in my car!
Does the engine bolt ok to that bellhousing?
(as it did appear to when i saw it)
and does the flywheel bolt to the engine ?
If so, it can only be a wrong flywheel
Steve
You deffo have a modified RS2000 bellhousing but don't need to replace it, the bolt pattern and internal size is the same as any type 9 steel
bellhousing.
Your problem is all about the flywheel, get the right one and the problem is solved
Your 2.0L flywheel will fit in a RS2000 alloy bellhousing, trust me mine runs fine
You need to make merry with the angle grinder! Arrowed below is the area that currently isn't round in the one you have. Dress this out and it
will fit. I've attached a pic of what it should look like post fettling.
5 min of work and you'll save your self cash and about 5Kgs as the replacement steel one weighs a ton.
ATB Dan.
[Edited on 7/1/11 by scutter]
nice one, i was kinda swaying towards just angle grinding it originally but didn't want to jump straight in in case i'd be doing something
wrong...
If the general consensus is that this is ok to do, then grinding it is!
If your having to take a bit out of the bell housing for the flywheel, surely the starter motor-ring gear engagment is going to be an issue. What
starter motor do you use for this setup?.
Ian
yeh that's the only other issue i guess.
I only have one starter at the moment, but it actually fouls on the sump of the engine anyway, so that won't work....
i've been told that a pinto starter should be ok....
I don't know for sure, but don't be to surprised if it doesn't fit.
The reason i was asking is i had a similar problem with my set up, nasp cosworth with ally flywheel (cosworth size) to a type 9 box (tranx gear kit).
The flywheel justed fitted into the cast iron bell housing, but on upgrading to a magnesium one i also had to shave the inside out for clearance. As
for the starter, a pinto one doesn't line up, the cosworth flywheel is larger than a pinto. For several years i did use a pinto starter ( lucas
M79 type) though which i'd modified by slotting the bolt holes/machined flange to adjust the starter further out (6mm) and fitting a 9 tooth
gear. On rebuilding the engine i upped the compression to 12-1 and the old starter became marginal at best, the M79 is only a 0.9Kw motor. So
i've now got a Bosch starter from an escort/orion diesel (£25 on ebay) which is 1.7Kw and a geared output, to make it fit i machined off the
mounting flange and pressed/locked a home made one on putting the starter where it needs to be. Works perfectly and it shows the engine who's
boss
There maybe a starter out there that's right to start with but i couldn't find one.
Ian
i have a 1.8 zetec fitted to a type 9 using a 1.8 zetec flywheel adapted for the pinto clutch and my starter is one from a 1.8 cvh sierra the pinto
starter does fit but you need to space it out from the bell housing by about 6mm
ok the starter i have appears to be a capri pinto one.
it's the same as in this pic:
http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/dbimages/0920834001285763250
I've just removed the bellhousing so i think i might go and have a look at another one and compare...
[Edited on 7/1/11 by pekwah1]
[Edited on 7/1/11 by pekwah1]
I think it all depends on just which bits your putting with what, some combinations of flywheels, bell housing and starters work and others
don't.
Logic says that if your now putting a different flywheel into the old bell housing and it doesn't fit without shaving some out...it's
obviously bigger than the old one that was in there, hence the old starter if correct before is now probably not going to be 
Ian
Hi
An RS2000 Ali bell housing with a std 1800 flywheel with a DOHC Sierra/ Granada starter will all fit together with no problem what so ever. That is
exactly what has been run on many 750Mc and wetfield race cars have run where the 1800 zetec with std fitment flywheels is compulsory.
It sounds like you are already aware of what clutch cover and drive plate with thrust bearing and extensions are needed.
cheers Matt
Edit. The only problems you may encounter with starter motors is with them catching the side of the sump depending upon which sump and make of starter
you are using. If memory serves me right it's the Bosh unit that is of a smaller design and fits better. Also the DOHC unit does not need spacing
from the mounting face.
[Edited on 7/1/11 by procomp]
exactly, that's what i had read which is why i'm not quite sure why mine isn't fitting properly....
i think i'll just have more of a play and see what happens
All the flywheels have the same external diameter, check out halfway down this
Link for another opinion and some
pic's
Atb Dan.
Hi
Thinking about it the 1600 if that's what it is maybe bigger to give a smother running engine. Although i would of thought it would be just
heavier rather than bigger in diameter as such i have never had a 1600 one to hand though. And i do know that there are a few very strange flywheels
available for the zetecs as the one that Westfield used to fit in the early days of them fitting the zetec as std fitment was a very very heavy item
that i have never managed to track down as to what it was supposed to be fitted to as std by ford. If i still have one lying around ill check the part
number but to honest given it's weight i think it was thrown away and made a scrap man very rich.
A genuine 1800 item is what is required as that is guaranteed to be a fit assuming that the alloy bellhousing in question has not been altered to much
where that casting has been removed and re welded up.
Cheers Matt
Edit. The above post would make the suggestion of a larger Dia 1600 item a no no.
[Edited on 7/1/11 by procomp]
I guess i must have been given some mis-information regarding the
2.0 flywheel then.I was under the impression that it didnt physicaly fit due to the extra thickness
around the edge fouling the housing.
I have never actually tried to fit one,still you live and learn......
Andy
thanks again for all the help guys, i'm going to try and have a go with it over the weekend again and see if i can get anywhere with what i've got, i'll let you know!
well as there's a fair amount of responses, thought i'd give you all an update.
You may have seen my other thread where i managed to empty the entire contents of my engine oil all over my clutch flywheel and then onto my garage
floor which delayed me a bit, but i've finally got the engine mated to the gearbox!
Still a bit unsure of exactly what flywheel i have, but i ground off two lips from the bellhousing which petruded slightly inwards, and i've just
been outside tinkering and the engine with clutch assembly slipped straight onto the gearbox no problems at all!
To top it off, met a fabricator the other day (who was restoring a mk1 escort and putting a zetec in) who welded up my engine mounts, and would you
believe they fit first go!! turns out i can use a tape measure after all!! he wasn't happy about me using galvanised steel though.....
Thanks a lot for all you help again!