motorcycle_mayhem
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| posted on 27/2/12 at 03:45 PM |
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Forgot to add that bike engined cars are hopeless in the wet, that no torque and all-or-nothing thing again, hopeless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoEH1kn3HqE
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The Venom Project
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| posted on 27/2/12 at 04:35 PM |
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Mine is pretty useless in the wet, but I put that down to 1 wheel drive at the back 
It's not that i'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.....
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Custardpants
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| posted on 27/2/12 at 05:47 PM |
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I have a busa powered Indy, and it really is a matter of taste, the car is stunning but only if you drive it like a banzai mental asylum ninja
escapee. Then the seq shift works beautifully and it all just comes alive and eats up a good driving road. In town or stuck behind a convoy of day
dreaming holiday makers it is more awkward though, and less refined to drive slowly.
If you just want to go out and use the car in a legalish and slow way including occasional motorway trips, then the CEC is better. As the longest
tunnel in the UK is only just down the road BEC was the only choice for me, in the tunnel it is glorious.
By the way - any BEC torque doubters are welcome to come out in my car. It pulls strong from low revs but if you're driving the car properly
you're always in the right gear anyway!
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eddie99
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| posted on 27/2/12 at 05:49 PM |
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I race a BEC and have a CEC Seven on the road... Personally if its for track then BEC, if its for short road journeys, maybe BEC otherwise its CEC for
a road toy. However the 3rd car is a race CEC........
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Hugh_
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| posted on 27/2/12 at 06:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
Properly set up and geared there should be no issues with driving a BEC on the road everyday
I agree, the issues from using a BEC on the road aren't to do with problems for the car.
I had a Fury fireblade with aeroscreen, it was fantastic fun on the road for a fast jaunt, and great on the track. The performance even with a
relatively modest 893, the occasion of the sequential box and clutchless shifts, it was a right hoot. However, it was never relaxing to drive in
traffic or at any speed for long periods. The clunking that came from the gearbox/diff, particularly when selecting from N-1 always worried my
mechanically sympathetic side, as did clutch life of moving a something much heavier than the bike it was from off the line meant I was always t
gentle getting it going (despite having heavy duty clutch springs fitted).
I have since changed to a car engined locost also with aeroscreen, admitedly it isn't particularly standard so it's power delivery is not
that disimilar to the bike engine in as much as you need to be 40% of the way through the rev range before it makes good power, and at 70% before it
really sings. It is better to drive in traffic, and I dont worry about getting off the line swiftly. On a fast road drives or track it is a slightly
different experience because of the gearbox, but fundamentally that is the only difference.
Regardless of whether you go for CEC of BEC these cars aren't great to travel any distance at speed, the wind noise at 75mph is the overwhelming
noise whether its a CEC at 3.5k revs or a BEC at 7k revs. If you have a flat windscreen (eg. as fitted to all 7 type cars) instead of an aeroscreen
the buffetting is just as bad unless you fit fullheight side screens which make them feel claustrophic and horrible IMHO.
If you are worried about the ability to do any motorway work personally I would go for one with a curved windscreen such as a Fury, Pheonix, Stylus,
Mojo etc. and not worry about the engine type from that respect.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 27/2/12 at 06:26 PM |
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Just go for a spin in both and then decide which bike engine to fit 
Phil
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Proby
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| posted on 27/2/12 at 07:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Just go for a spin in both and then decide which bike engine to fit
Phil
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I knew this was going to be another great divide!
As said, try both. I've had 2 BEC's previously and love 'em.
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maccmike
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| posted on 27/2/12 at 07:03 PM |
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Hi, bike engine every time. Iv got a zzr1100 in 350kg's. Parts are pretty cheap. Easy to work on. Sequential box, but no revrese on mine. The
screaming revs! If Gordon Murray says power to weight is everything, who am I to argue. You want absolute minimum of a 900 or you'll have no
torque.
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coozer
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| posted on 27/2/12 at 07:37 PM |
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You need one of these...
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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welderman
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| posted on 27/2/12 at 07:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
You need one of these...
One of what. All I can see is pretty looking woman
Thank's, Joe
I don't stalk people
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/23/viewthread.php?tid=172301
Back on with the Fisher Fury R1
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Davegtst
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| posted on 27/2/12 at 08:20 PM |
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This is quite a simple question to answer.
Bec driver =
Cec driver =
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ali f27
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| posted on 28/2/12 at 04:28 AM |
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Hi been looking on tinternet cannot find Holden bike engine
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bobinspain
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| posted on 28/2/12 at 08:54 AM |
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Russell,
Jump on the trans-Med express and get yourself up to Las Fuentes and I'll take you out in my 'toy'. I echo everything
that 95% of the posters say on here, (Custardpants (Luke) in particular, because he has the same car).
Motorcycle_mayhem's comments about cup-holders and heated seats are very important issues out here in Spain and should be taken seriously, (like
driving in rain!------- What's that?)
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ross05
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| posted on 28/2/12 at 09:00 AM |
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bec power
cheers Bob,
how are you getting on with bike power,thought I would give you time to adjust!! no cup holder could be a problem
speak soon
cheers Russ
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adithorp
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| posted on 28/2/12 at 09:12 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
Lets just unbias this a little and stick to (mainly) facts. (IMO!)...
6 - If aiming for a 'New registration' then using a 'recondishoned to as new ' bike engine/gearbox combo counts as 2
components, meaning you will need to use (or atleast provide evidence) that the engine is 'new'
Well if we're sticking to "facts"...
Where do you get point six from?
My R1 engine/'box counted as one component and I got a new reg. There's plenty more out there. I asked DVLA in advance, stating that it
was a single unit and their answer was "Can you use one bit without the other? If not then we'll count it as one". Think about it.
If you use a front wheel drive engine and box in a middy, would that be three items? Engine , gearbox and diff'?
Then there's...
"can't tour/do more than an hour, in a BEC"...?
Well after 2x3000+mile tours to the Alps/Med and several 500mile days in mine; Yes you can. A seven isn't exactly a GT car whatever engine is in
it but if you want seat of the pants motoring then yes it can be done... and it's great fun. To say you can't tour a BEC is the same as a
Goldwing owner saying you can't tour on a sports bike.
BECs are unreliable...?
I'll refer you back to the last answer.
You can't drive in town/traffic...?
If it's set up well there's no reason why not. Been stuck in Genova city cantre in rush hour with heavy traffic, 90' temps and
thousands of mopeds around with 2 other R1 cars and it was no less pleasnt than if it'd been zetecs.
Yes, BECs are raw. The transmission is a bit clunky at times but at others it's sweet. They're loud but then so are all 7s just different
pitch) and at speed most of the noise you experience is wind buffeting so the same whatever powers the car.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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loggyboy
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| posted on 28/2/12 at 09:39 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
Lets just unbias this a little and stick to (mainly) facts. (IMO!)...
6 - If aiming for a 'New registration' then using a 'recondishoned to as new ' bike engine/gearbox combo counts as 2
components, meaning you will need to use (or atleast provide evidence) that the engine is 'new'
Well if we're sticking to "facts"...
Where do you get point six from?
My R1 engine/'box counted as one component and I got a new reg. There's plenty more out there. I asked DVLA in advance, stating that it
was a single unit and their answer was "Can you use one bit without the other? If not then we'll count it as one". Think about it.
If you use a front wheel drive engine and box in a middy, would that be three items? Engine , gearbox and diff'?
Was your engine gearbox a recon or new?
Not sure about your other points as none were mentioned in my post, but were in the 'comedy' post prior to mine.
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bobinspain
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| posted on 28/2/12 at 09:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by motorcycle_mayhem
Forgot to add that bike engined cars are hopeless in the wet, that no torque and all-or-nothing thing again, hopeless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoEH1kn3HqE
Utter madness! Easy on the tyres though. I bet visibility was around 30% of standard.
Not my idea of fun, (but then I was a 'fair-weather-golfer too).
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ross05
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| posted on 28/2/12 at 10:00 AM |
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bec power
well I am sold looks like bike power for me,the vids are great.
thankyou all for your comments
aug / sept we will be looking for BIKE POWER
cheers RUSSELL
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adithorp
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| posted on 28/2/12 at 10:13 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
Lets just unbias this a little and stick to (mainly) facts. (IMO!)...
6 - If aiming for a 'New registration' then using a 'recondishoned to as new ' bike engine/gearbox combo counts as 2
components, meaning you will need to use (or atleast provide evidence) that the engine is 'new'
Well if we're sticking to "facts"...
Where do you get point six from?
My R1 engine/'box counted as one component and I got a new reg. There's plenty more out there. I asked DVLA in advance, stating that it
was a single unit and their answer was "Can you use one bit without the other? If not then we'll count it as one". Think about it.
If you use a front wheel drive engine and box in a middy, would that be three items? Engine , gearbox and diff'?
Was your engine gearbox a recon or new?
Not sure about your other points as none were mentioned in my post, but were in the 'comedy' post prior to mine.
Eggine/box was my one "reconditioned as new" item
Yes wasn't refering to your post with the other bits and despite the "comedy" nature of the post, they are point's that get
trotted out regularly.
I did the LeMans Classic with a car engined Fury owner as passenger and his verdict on suitability of touring a BEC... Just the same as his!
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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loggyboy
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| posted on 29/2/12 at 04:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
Eggine/box was my one "reconditioned as new" item
Yes wasn't refering to your post with the other bits and despite the "comedy" nature of the post, they are point's that get
trotted out regularly.
I did the LeMans Classic with a car engined Fury owner as passenger and his verdict on suitability of touring a BEC... Just the same as his!
I guess its the usual DVLA lottery - I only mentioned that as Cloudy ended up with a Q plate after his recon box/gbox was classed as engine and
gearbox, rather than the 1 recon'd part.
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Pezza
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| posted on 29/2/12 at 05:21 PM |
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I had a cec first off then when I decided to build my own I went for the bec for a change, love it 
Oh and dvla can be hopeless.
I went for an age related plate, all receipts etc, agreed I would get age related (89)
But I had a private reg to go on as the first reg, that obviously confused them and I ended up with it being a 2011 new plate if I want to transfer it
back again !
Not that i'm complaing mind, the local office was very helpfull and a pleasure to deal with.
You couldn't pwn your way out of a wet paper bag, with "PWN ME!!" written on it, from the "pwned take-away" which originally contained one
portion of chicken tikka pwnsala and the obligatory free pwnpadom.
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