adithorp
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 09:28 AM |
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What to do about dangerous driver?
A friend of a friend has in the last two years, written off two cars and had at least two more serious accidents. Prior to that there were several
unexplined bumps. He's not a good driver to start with but there's lots of them out there but...
In the first accident he was driving down the M6 at 80+ when my friend realised that they were wandering towards a lorry on the inside lane. She
looked over at him and he was slumped in the seat. With no reply when she screamed at him, she attempted to drive from the passenger seat, avoided the
lorry but ended up spinning and going backwards along the centre armco. Nobody hurt but he woke up and said "Why are we stopped?". He was
interviewed by the police while she was being checked over in an ambulance and then then allowed to go; Later he said he told the polie he sneezed and
lost control  . The car (Fiesta) was heavily damaged but repaired.
He then had a couple (that we know of) of incidents of collapsing at work and had lots of tests done at hospital, etc with nothing found wrong.
Official verdict was low blood sugar and stress!?!
He then had an excursion up the embankment of the M67 (no damage apart from tracking) before later writing the car off in an unexplained (I just lost
control) accident on the M67. To be fair the repair from the initial accident was poor and the car handled like a pig and wore out one rear tyre every
couple of thousand miles.
He's now had another accident, hitting a van and writing off the replacement car (Audi A3) on the Woodhead pass which he refuses to disscuss.
Nothing seems to be happening to remove his licence. His GP can't act as the specilists say they can find nothing wrong. The police that
I've spoken to (local traffic guy) say it's down to his doctor. Somehow he keeps getting insured...
Sooner or later he's going to kill someone (few would worry if it was him) and in my oppinion shouldn't be driving. He says it's not
our business and he's the one taking any risk 
So after all that, is there anything (legal and non-violent)I can do?
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 09:37 AM |
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The easiest, quickest solution in a non-confrontational way is to keep slashing his tyres.
I know that's not a positive response at all, but he does sound pretty dangerous mate!
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steve m
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 10:04 AM |
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I think you have to be related, as we had to get my Gran off the road, due a couple of small incidents
My Mother went to Nan's DR and got it sorted
It sounds as this guy has seizures, but i bet he never notifyed the DVLA, so in theory is illegal?
A note sent to the DVLA staing the facts ??
Steve
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 10:11 AM |
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tbh don't know
Unless you try and convince this guy that he may end up in jail for killing someone. Sounds a very arrogant guy, is he young?
That girl who was in the car the first time he passed out, she should file a report with the police stating that he had passed out. Sounds a diabetic,
I know a few folk with it and they can just drop to the deck or act very drunk.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 10:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by steve m
A note sent to the DVLA staing the facts ??
DVLA will want proof and probably a doctors note to impose any license restriction or to take the licenst away.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 10:15 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by steve m
A note sent to the DVLA stating the facts ??
Steve
Yeah sounds a plan, may start investigations. The DVLA do seem to take seizures very seriously. When I worked on the busses another driver passed out
and crashed, didn't injure anyone but that was the end of his driving days and they never did find out exactly what caused it.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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blakep82
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 10:34 AM |
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doubt he's diabetic, more likely to be narcolepsy?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001805
if he was diabetic, he wouldn't have come round so easily and been able to talk to police and ambulance like nothing happened. i know.
unfortunately. not had a crash or anything myself though
sounds to me like he's in denial because he doesn't want to lose his license, i can't blame him for that, but yes he is dangerous
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 10:39 AM |
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This seems ridiculous, a chap at work passed out without any warning when we went out for a curry (real slapstick moment, face straight into his Rogan
Josh!) . He hadn't been drinking and it's never happened before but he was obviously quite worried so went to see a doctor ASAP. They
couldn't find anything wrong, but told him it was their duty to inform the DVLA and he's now had his licence revoked! He has to remain
symptom free for a certain length of time (1 year?) before the poor sod can get his licence back.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 10:48 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
This seems ridiculous, a chap at work passed out without any warning when we went out for a curry (real slapstick moment, face straight into his Rogan
Josh!) . He hadn't been drinking and it's never happened before but he was obviously quite worried so went to see a doctor ASAP. They
couldn't find anything wrong, but told him it was their duty to inform the DVLA and he's now had his licence revoked! He has to remain
symptom free for a certain length of time (1 year?) before the poor sod can get his licence back.
that sounds about right, my gran had more or less the same thing, I'm sure it was 12 months she had to wait
but it also sounds like this guy isn't telling his doctor everything 
[Edited on 15/2/2011 by mcerd1]
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mrwibble
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 10:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
doubt he's diabetic, more likely to be narcolepsy?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001805
if he was diabetic, he wouldn't have come round so easily and been able to talk to police and ambulance like nothing happened. i know.
unfortunately. not had a crash or anything myself though
sounds to me like he's in denial because he doesn't want to lose his license, i can't blame him for that, but yes he is dangerous
diabetics have high blood sugar, only pass out from low blood sugar due to the problems in regulating insulin with medication.
i don't think there is much you can do except contact a member of his family/ or someone with influence over him.
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vinny1275
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 11:17 AM |
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He might have sleep apnoea - if he doesn't sleep well at night, he just can't keep awake during the day - can be treated tho...
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MikeCapon
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 11:51 AM |
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Second for this ^^^^^ one. I have (had) sleep apnea and in extreme case people just fall asleep at any moment during the day. Once properly treated
it's like living a new life. Worth considering.
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Hammerhead
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 12:02 PM |
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not read all the replies, but my mates wife had a seizure at home, and had her license taken away immediately by doctors orders. She only collapsed
once and was not driving. Took a year of no seizures before she got the license back.
I think the GP is negligent if he does not intervene. Write to his quack!
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HowardB
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 12:13 PM |
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as above, a mate was hit by a driver, open road, clear visibility and no attempt to stop. The police immediately notified the DVLA as there was a
question as to the drivers fitness to drive,....
simple as,....
perhaps it has to happen straight after the accident,...
hth
Howard
Fisher Fury was 2000 Zetec - now a 1600 (it Lives again  and goes zoom)
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Yazza54
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 12:24 PM |
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If he is denying he has a problem then he is a cock and seriously needs forcing to get looked at properly. You hit the nail on the head with
'sooner or later he's going to kill someone'... If he thinks he's the only one at risk he needs his head checking (after
checking why he keeps falling asleep).
Let's face it, the chances are very slim... but it could be you, me or a loved one that encounters him next. God forbid.
I'm unhappy cos I eat and I eat cos I'm unhappy
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adithorp
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 12:26 PM |
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The problem with the doctor is that he denies it's still happening and the earlier tests showed no problem (so it was just a one off).
I'm thinking that the recent accident must be subject to an investigation by the police and if I can find out which side of Woodhead it happend
on (different forces) I might be able to "volenteer" some info.
...and yes, the guy is a prize c**k!
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eznfrank
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 01:24 PM |
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Ring the Insurance Fraud Bureau Cheatline LINKY, if he's falsely declaring the reason
for accidents and not informing the docs/DVLA as he is obliged to then it may be deemed insurance fraud as he technically has the policy by deception
and is potentially providing false info when reporting the claims. They have good contacts with DVLA, Insurers and police so may be able to do
something.
[Edited on 15/2/11 by eznfrank]
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adithorp
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 02:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eznfrank
Ring the Insurance Fraud Bureau Cheatline LINKY, if he's falsely declaring the reason
for accidents and not informing the docs/DVLA as he is obliged to then it may be deemed insurance fraud as he technically has the policy by deception
and is potentially providing false info when reporting the claims. They have good contacts with DVLA, Insurers and police so may be able to do
something.
[Edited on 15/2/11 by eznfrank]
Perfect!
I had thought of informing his insurers but don't know who they are. Not only is he missreporting the accidents but he's failing to
disclose relevant medical/health matters.
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T66
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 02:33 PM |
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It sounds like he may have a medical condition....
On a similar theme, a good friend of my in-laws (Age 78) was well known to clip car mirrors when driving, he then mixed that with collapsing once
every few weeks while having a pint. While refusing to accept something was up and going to the docs.
Now my in-laws confided in me and told me the tale, I told them he should be told to stop driving and they should tell him asap.
The in-laws were too embarrassed to say anything as they thought it wasnt there business, more tales emerged of mirrors and cars getting clattered. So
I told them unless they told him, I would !
I tried to put it to them in such a way , that maybe he killed a child. They point blank refused to speak to him and told me I couldnt speak to him
either.
Infact it got quite heated ! I have been a cop a long time and seen lots of crash damaged people, lots of them dead including those who drive with
medical conditions and did nothing about them. The guy had a stroke about 2 months after this and stopped driving.
The time has come for you to confront him/her and tell them how it is ! If they dont take any notice, could I suggest you speak with your local
Traffic Cop for some advice, this isnt grassing him up, this is common sense prevailing.
Far better your mate doesnt kill himself, or worse still kill his passenger and maybe another motorist.
There was one in my area last year, elderly guy with his Mrs and two grand children in the car, took a turn at the wheel and drove at speed under the
rear of a parked HGV, all occupants were tragically killed.
Time to confront your friend , he might like what you have to tell him.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 02:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eznfrank
Ring the Insurance Fraud Bureau Cheatline LINKY, if he's falsely declaring the reason
for accidents and not informing the docs/DVLA as he is obliged to then it may be deemed insurance fraud as he technically has the policy by deception
and is potentially providing false info when reporting the claims. They have good contacts with DVLA, Insurers and police so may be able to do
something.
[Edited on 15/2/11 by eznfrank]
looks like the way forward as looking through the pages you don't have to give your details and there's plenty of room to put a full
description
It may sound like your getting him into trouble but he is more dangerous behind the wheel than a drunk and it is only a matter of time before innocent
people get killed just cause this guy is too selfish and self-centered to give up his license even though it sounds like he knows full well he should.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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Minicooper
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 03:00 PM |
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I worked with a guy who knows he has narcolepsy, he does the same makes up reasonable excuses for his accidents
Cheers
David
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adithorp
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 04:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by T66
It sounds like he may have a medical condition....
The time has come for you to confront him/her and tell them how it is ! If they dont take any notice, could I suggest you speak with your local
Traffic Cop for some advice, this isnt grassing him up, this is common sense prevailing.
Far better your mate doesnt kill himself, or worse still kill his passenger and maybe another motorist.
Time to confront your friend , he might like what you have to tell him.
No doubt he has a medical condition (in addition to being a c**k) in my opinion. Doctors have done tests for epilepsy, diabetese and narcolepsy. All
these were done because of collapsing at work in front of witnesses and all came back negative.
I've already confronted him about it, as has my friend, but he denies that there's anything wrong anymore and it isn't the cause of
the accidents... Neither of us will get in the car with him. Personally I couldn't care less if he did think I'd grassed him up.
Oh, and just in case you haven't figured it out... He's not my mate. Can't stand the bloke. In fact several of my other friends are
also aquaintaces of his and none of them like him either. Once we know a way of dropping him in it, there'll be a que!
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JoelP
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 07:54 PM |
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i know you asked for legal solutions, but removing his sump plug one night might do the trick!
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dinosaurjuice
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 08:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
i know you asked for legal solutions, but removing his sump plug one night might do the trick!
always remove plug then wedge in a candle. wont leak any oil til it warms up and is turning nice and fast.
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morcus
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 08:08 PM |
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Give him an ultimatum, tell him he can sort this out and stop driving until it's certain he's no longer a danger or your going to report
him and he'll end up in alot of trouble. If theres lots of you who know, all do it together like an intervention and if he won't agree to
it all of you should report it. I'm no expert on the law but you might be breaking it by not reporting these kinds of things.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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