Cubby
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 11:23 AM |
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EU Referendum II
Help get EU referendum II
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
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joneh
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 11:35 AM |
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There should be another vote especially after the leave campaign have already backed out of several key pledges.
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femster87
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 11:53 AM |
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Waste of time
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 12:00 PM |
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what if the brexit win with a turnout of 85 %,would they call for another one till they get the "right" result like they did in Ireland
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if you win a race by 1 inch or 1 mile,you have still won.
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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bi22le
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 12:12 PM |
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Yeah thats sensible, create more instability and unknowns.
What is wanted from pt2? The same decision but a bigger majority or a remain vote pushing it to a 3rd tie breaker?!
We are out. Now its time to pull our socks up and get on with proving to the world that the reason we are who we are is because we are ALL british and
great and contributing to the world. We have more wit and forward thinking than any other country in the world.
Dont look back, the decision has been made.
By the way, I voted out but would of been happy either way. I was not tricked by lies. My reasons are mainly to prevent us being pushed down a route
not appropriate for the UK and to make our country morw dynamic and accountable. We are unlike anyother country in the EU yet are being treated the
same.
I am also very likely to be personally affected as I work for the design centre of an international company, my wife works in London, designing its
future buildings and akyline. . . .
[Edited on 25/6/16 by bi22le]
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Me doing a sub 56sec lap around Brands Indy. I need a geo set up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHksfvIGB3I
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chillis
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 12:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by joneh
There should be another vote especially after the leave campaign have already backed out of several key pledges.
The sheeple voted to leave, even if they now begin to realise they've fallen for the oldest trick in the book. Time to suck it up and live with
the consequences.
Never under estimate the ingenuity of an idiot!
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phelpsa
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 12:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by theconrodkid
what if the brexit win with a turnout of 85 %,would they call for another one till they get the "right" result like they did in Ireland
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if you win a race by 1 inch or 1 mile,you have still won.
This isn't a competition though, it's about making a decision based on the facts. Of which most prior to the referendum (on both sides of
the argument) were exaggerated, sensationalised or just outright fairytales. As the real consequences start to unravel opinions could change
drastically (in either direction). What really needs to change is the approach of political environment from 'what can we do to win' to
'what is in the best interests of our country / continent / planet'.
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balidey
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 12:19 PM |
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Shock horror... politicians tell lies. Who'd have thought it?
Just because you don't get the result you want it doesn't mean you get a do-over.
The public has been calling for an EU referendum for years, not just in this last government.
There has been a referendum with a massive turn out.
Although very close, there has been a majority.
What on earth is there a need for another vote for?
And why should the second one count more than the first.
How about best of 3?
Dutch bears have terrible skin due to their clogged paws
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coozer
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 12:30 PM |
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Its a one sided call for another vote by the remainers.
We've had the vote and gone down the right path!
We had an online petition to stop the massive foreign aid budget but that was ignored!
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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Slimy38
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 12:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by joneh
There should be another vote especially after the leave campaign have already backed out of several key pledges.
Why limit it to the leave campaign? As far as I can tell every elected government does exactly the same thing!!
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phelpsa
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 12:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
Its a one sided call for another vote by the remainers.
We've had the vote and gone down the right path!
We had an online petition to stop the massive foreign aid budget but that was ignored!
Ignored because it was stupid and petty?
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joneh
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 12:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Slimy38
quote:
Originally posted by joneh
There should be another vote especially after the leave campaign have already backed out of several key pledges.
Why limit it to the leave campaign? As far as I can tell every elected government does exactly the same thing!!
Not limited to the leave campaign, they're all the same. The uneducated, nationalists and old have just handed complete power to a bunch of
lying bankers.
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benchmark51
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 01:26 PM |
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Decision was made and should stand. Or is someone going to start a petition against the petition.
The time is right to forget division within our ranks and work together and show how Britain can get things right.
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mark chandler
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 02:25 PM |
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As Cameron said, it's a referendum not a neverendum, get over it!
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jeffw
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 03:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by joneh
Not limited to the leave campaign, they're all the same. The uneducated, nationalists and old have just handed complete power to a bunch of
lying bankers.
Must be a very strange place you inhabit with that world view. So, to paraphrase, anyone who doesn't agree with you is stupid, a racist and old
and now the bankers are in charge (who lie)
Well as an Old Stupid Racist (allegedly on the last two) I can tell you this is the last thing the 'lying bankers' wanted.
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 03:36 PM |
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quote:Originally posted by joneh
Not limited to the leave campaign, they're all the same. The uneducated, nationalists and old have just handed complete power to a bunch of
lying bankers.
Must be a very strange place you inhabit with that world view. So, to paraphrase, anyone who doesn't agree with you is stupid, a racist and old
and now the bankers are in charge (who lie)
Well as an Old Stupid Racist (allegedly on the last two) I can tell you this is the last thing the 'lying bankers' wanted.
being old like me means we are worldly wise,un-educated ? ,like the majority of this world,i didnt go to uni but have a lot more common sense that the
snowflake generation of unibods of today,as for being racist,my EX is a truley united nation of African,Indian,Chinese and irish descent and my
current GF is Polish....do your comments relate to me as well ?.
the ones that could see through the EU voted out,we won,end of.
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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joneh
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 03:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
quote:
Originally posted by joneh
Not limited to the leave campaign, they're all the same. The uneducated, nationalists and old have just handed complete power to a bunch of
lying bankers.
Must be a very strange place you inhabit with that world view. So, to paraphrase, anyone who doesn't agree with you is stupid, a racist and old
and now the bankers are in charge (who lie)
Well as an Old Stupid Racist (allegedly on the last two) I can tell you this is the last thing the 'lying bankers' wanted.
Firstly, I didn't say racist but if you choose to label yourself as such, I won't argue. People are fine to have their point of view and I
haven't said that everyone who voted leave falls into this category. These three categoties undoubtedly formed the majority of the leave
vote.
I also didn't say the bankers wanted that. My point is more that there isn't currently a party leader who I'd want to hand total
control over this country.
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StevieB
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 05:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chillis
The sheeple voted to leave, even if they now begin to realise they've fallen for the oldest trick in the book. Time to suck it up and live with
the consequences.
I quite agree. I was a Remain voter personally.
I'm disappointed with the result but not going to dwell on it - it is what it is and we as a nation now have to make it work rather than spend
more time falling out about it.
My concern was the reason for people's voting - immigration dominated the day where I think people are biased and misinformed about what more
was actually at stake. I was also concerned that one particular person interviewed stated his reason for voting leave was, well, he's never not
been part of EU so might as well see what that's like.
Ultimately, if the EU hasn't been working for us in the way it should have been (and I think we can all agree improvements were needed no matter
what your stance on their referendum) then maybe we do need a change. If you keep doing the same thing, you get the same results - trying something
different will certainly bring different results (for better or worse).
We now need to accept where we are, face up to it and make it a worthwhile change for the better.
I voted Remain, but I won't sign the petition - this is democracy at work and sometimes you're not on the winning side, but it is the flip
side of the freedoms that we enjoy. But that only works as long as we can't go around having do-overs for every referendum that doesn't
suit people...
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britishtrident
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 06:10 PM |
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As Emile Zola put over 100 years ago
" The public was astounded; rumors flew of the most horrible acts, the most monstrous deceptions, lies that were an affront to our history. The
public, naturally, was taken in. No punishment could be too harsh. The people clamored for the traitor to be publicly stripped of his rank and
demanded to see him writhing with remorse on his rock of infamy. Could these things be true, these unspeakable acts, these deeds so dangerous that
they must be carefully hidden behind closed doors to keep Europe from going up in flames?
[Edited on 25/6/16 by britishtrident]
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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sonic
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 06:47 PM |
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I think it was the right decision, my only concern is that nobody seems to be jumping up from the leave camp to grasp the nettle and take the lead.
Boris has buried his head and everybody else has gone quiet, I would have thought the leave squad would have had a plan and be delivering it
confidently, the country needs a voice to lead them now.
It would be like me going to my MD and thumping the desk saying we should do this and that, he then gives me the green light and I go quiet and have
no plan to deliver.
I also think Cameron is sulking, at the end of the day he and his party were elected to serve the people in a democratic way, just because he
didn't win he has took his bat and ball home, he would have had more credibility if he had said he doesn't agree with the decision but he
is a public servant and will do everything in his power to lead the UK to be the great country it is and can be.
Whoever does take the mantle will make a great name for them selves if they get it right.
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onenastyviper
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 07:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sonic
I think it was the right decision, my only concern is that nobody seems to be jumping up from the leave camp to grasp the nettle and take the lead.
Boris has buried his head and everybody else has gone quiet, I would have thought the leave squad would have had a plan and be delivering it
confidently, the country needs a voice to lead them now.
It would be like me going to my MD and thumping the desk saying we should do this and that, he then gives me the green light and I go quiet and have
no plan to deliver.
I also think Cameron is sulking, at the end of the day he and his party were elected to serve the people in a democratic way, just because he
didn't win he has took his bat and ball home, he would have had more credibility if he had said he doesn't agree with the decision but he
is a public servant and will do everything in his power to lead the UK to be the great country it is and can be.
Whoever does take the mantle will make a great name for them selves if they get it right.
Perhaps the reason so many have gone to ground is because neither side expected the result.
Remain probably expected it to be close but that they would win as people (generally) like stability and whilst not perfect, it was stable.
Leave probably expected to loose a close race and use it to justify a new era of eurosceptiscm and calls for EU reform etc. etc. etc.
We now have the worst possible scenario - no-one knows how to go forwards nor what the result will be - it has never been done before.
All those calling for us to be "Great" again seem to forget that we are now a small player in a very large globalised world with a very
imbalanced economy.
Yes, we have "skills" but we also have skills shortages and years of evidence of these "skills" simply getting up and leaving
to more appealing climates and this has the potential to put a lot of people and their livelihoods at risk and no aspect of "making Britain
great again" makes up for not being able to feed your family.
Personally speaking, I really hope that all the parties involved (winning or loosing) are spending the next hours and days carefully considering their
positions because their approach to what happens next may mean the difference between us being able to feed our families or standing outside food
banks/soup kitchens.
No-one is celebrating or cherishing this outcome.
"If I knew what I was doing then it wouldn't be called research would it?...duh!"
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ali f27
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 07:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sonic
I think it was the right decision, my only concern is that nobody seems to be jumping up from the leave camp to grasp the nettle and take the lead.
Boris has buried his head and everybody else has gone quiet, I would have thought the leave squad would have had a plan and be delivering it
confidently, the country needs a voice to lead them now.
It would be like me going to my MD and thumping the desk saying we should do this and that, he then gives me the green light and I go quiet and have
no plan to deliver.
I also think Cameron is sulking, at the end of the day he and his party were elected to serve the people in a democratic way, just because he
didn't win he has took his bat and ball home, he would have had more credibility if he had said he doesn't agree with the decision but he
is a public servant and will do everything in his power to lead the UK to be the great country it is and can be.
Whoever does take the mantle will make a great name for them selves if they get it right.
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ali f27
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 07:48 PM |
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Far from sulking the conservative grandees still run the show and cameron would be told he had to go they are about to put Boris in as their puppet .I
hope that somebody starts to calm things down before people get hurt I looked at the front page of the sun today and one of the storys read Nichola
Sturgeon planning to blow up uk this kind of trouble making has to stop before it gets hold there have been a lot of nutters brought out of the wood
work lets not play into their hands.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 08:01 PM |
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No serious politician on either side wants to sort out the mess, anybody who eventually gets the job will just get blamed for all the tough decisions
that throw people out of work and reduce pensions. Nobody will seriously trust Boris, most of the other tories prominent on the exit side are
tarnished in some way or are so far to the right they make the late General Franco look like a moderate.
All the while a self-important perma-tanned spiv looking increasingly like Oswald Mosley holds court adoring the attention .
In Europe they are really scared not least because increasingly vocal extreme right will demand the same in a dozen countries so the Euros are
playing hard ball, but watch this space they may come back with with some sort of comprimise a special associate member offer.
Now Wee Nicola looking like a younger version of Angela Merkel steps up to the plate, significantly now with the support of Scottish Lib-Dems and
makes moves protect her nations' place in the EU until she can hold another Scottish referendum. If a Scottish referendum is held Scotland
will choose the EU over an increasingly inward looking and right wing England.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Johneturbo
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| posted on 25/6/16 at 09:55 PM |
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Bugger, i didn't win the lottery, can we have a re-draw untill i win
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