dozracing
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 06:07 PM |
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Caterham hassle GTS
I've finally made it big time in the industry, yesterday i got threatening emails from solicitors acting on behalf of Caterham!
I'm so pleased, it means i've finally made enough of an impression to stir Caterham into action.
As a reaction to this i've decided to work on a collection of upgrade parts for Caterham models, just to really wee them off!
Kind regards,
Darren
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big_wasa
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 06:12 PM |
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What you mean you hav'nt got enough work on as it is
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flak monkey
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 06:17 PM |
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Whatever were they hassling you for? Not like every 7 out there doesnt bear more than a passing resemblance to the Cateringvan or Westf%^&d.
[Edited on 24/3/05 by flak monkey]
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Triton
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 06:21 PM |
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New name for you Darren....."F1-NEVES" unless Cat's legal wallers object to it 
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MikeR
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 07:08 PM |
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Darren i'd be really careful if i was you.
The Caterham legal eagles are very very persistant. I know of a bloke in Northern Ireland who did a lot of unofficial sales work for them. Tried to
register his garage as "the 7 workshop" (or something similar) specialising in all types of seven. Caterham don't have a franchise
or anything over there and they still went after him.
It was settled amicably in the end. I believe they also went after the se7ens email list. Not sure if that has been settled.
Good luck with what ever happens.
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Kitlooney1000
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 07:21 PM |
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Good luck Darren. Cateringvan obviously cant handle a bit of competition
Doesnt matter what Sh*t life throws at you, there is always some other poor bugger worse off!!!!!
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JamJah
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 07:26 PM |
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What exacually are they worried about? copyright infringement? As I understood it they can make the silhoulete theirs, they can make the name their,
they can make the parts they produce theirs, but you cant make a concept yours.
What did they say? GO on name and shame! Wreck their reputation using their own words!
Its how the japenese car industry been operating for years!
Know someone who has a premises near theirs, want a showroom? LOL
Wish you luck Darren, you have a good product.
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Triton
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 08:07 PM |
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It's the use of the number 7 that upsets them.
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smart51
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 08:45 PM |
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the name "seven" could probably be called a trade mark or something similar. They may well win any action about the use of this name.
Notice that westfield et. al. don't use it. Probably for good reason.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 08:46 PM |
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7
You cant trademark a number...surely?
[Edited on 24/3/05 by flak monkey]
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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britishtrident
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 08:53 PM |
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They have a knack of putting potential customers backs up.
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phelpsa
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 08:56 PM |
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Remember the Tiger Super '6'
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 09:05 PM |
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Well Done
Ben
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JonBowden
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 09:07 PM |
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From the legal bit at the bottom of the Caterham web site :
quote:
SEVEN and 7 are registered trade marks of Caterham Car Sales & Coachworks Limited
Darren, what exactly are they complaining about ?
Jon
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 09:10 PM |
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This might of annoyed them
quote:
If you are thinking of buying a Caterham CSR think again!
quote:
The car will be the lightest, have the lowest centre of gravity, and lowest polar moment of inertia of any 7, and will feature aerodynamic
modifications that will also give it the lowest drag figures.
hehe
Ben
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flak monkey
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 09:12 PM |
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Probably about the 7 in W7DE? If they have (tm) on 7 it could be a reason?
[Edited on 24/3/05 by flak monkey]
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 09:15 PM |
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Probably that as well
Ben
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phelpsa
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 09:42 PM |
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Sorry, but i think thats a step too far! I can understand trade marking se7en or something, but '7'!!
Adam
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pbura
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 09:47 PM |
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quote:
"SEVEN and 7 are registered trade marks of Caterham Car Sales & Coachworks Limited"
That's a hell of a trademark! McDonald's should have trademarked "hamburger" while they were at it!
The Patent Office's database was down so couldn't get details, but it sure looks to me like "7" may be up for grabs for
vehicles (Class 12). It also looks like "SEVEN" is not available, as per Caterham's assertion:
UK Patent Office
Trademark Search
Way to go, Darren!
Pete
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Triton
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 10:17 PM |
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Kinda makes you laugh really
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Deckman001
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 10:52 PM |
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I can see why you got out Mark !! Glad your back though all the same 
Jason
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 10:59 PM |
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That lot have new masters so I think they may have a shot at all around them. The got there @***** kicked when they took Birkin to court in South
Africa. Now to those in the know a Birkin is more original than the present day catervan. This was the one that allowed the birkin into the UK.
Darren dont go head to head with these monsters, as they have a team that tracks some 27 or so clones/replica manufactures. Probally a budget to
match.
What suprised me is they never chased HAYNES for publishing the locost book!
or ol ron champion .
Dont go there not big not clever and very expensive.
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phelpsa
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 11:09 PM |
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I dont think they ever actually called it a 7.
Adam
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flak monkey
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 11:15 PM |
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Time for a sensible comment I think....
Thinking about it it doesnt suprise me that they are trying to keep tabs on all the other manufacturers who are building seven replicas (are there
really 27? Jeez!) and protecting their intellectual property. However, by threatening people with legal action for using the word 'seven'
or '7' in the description of a sevenesque car seems a bit extreme, as it describes the cars (since they are all based on the Lotus 7 to a
greater or lesser extent). Would they complain at sevenesque? AFAIK they cant even complain if you are making parts to fit their cars, as long as they
arent copies of their parts (ie they are your own design).
If it was something about the comments about the new GTS car (as mentioned) thats only advertising, and anyone is entitled to do that within
reason.
David
[Edited on 24/3/05 by flak monkey]
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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MikeR
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| posted on 24/3/05 at 11:21 PM |
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I don't think they could go after Haynes.....
Caterham won a legal fight with westfield. Westfield changed there design to suit the court ruling. The Haynes book was 'similar' to the
westfield. I believe westfield and Haynes had a few conversations but i don't recall it ending up in court.
Folks, i think we all need to be careful what we say here. Darren has been threatened with legal action. Its quite possible this web site and the
poster could also be threatened if we post views that are libelous.
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