bitsilly
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| posted on 12/6/08 at 08:09 PM |
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Hyabusa engined Vortex?
Our Vortex with an R1 is currently performing well on the track, but the lack of torque is frustrating.
So three questions
1) Are there any Hyabusa engined Vortexes (ie does a cradle and necessary bits exist)
2) Is the Hyabusa significantly better than R1 on carbs.
3) Does anyone know if there is anyone in the cardiff area who could tune an R1.
Cheers all
ps Be aware that a Vortex and a track day will lead to instant addiction!!
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matt.c
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| posted on 12/6/08 at 08:14 PM |
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I think turboing it would be cheaper and faster than a busa.
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Agriv8
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| posted on 12/6/08 at 09:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bitsilly
Our Vortex with an R1 is currently performing well on the track, but the lack of torque is frustrating.
So three questions
1) Are there any Hyabusa engined Vortexes (ie does a cradle and necessary bits exist)
2) Is the Hyabusa significantly better than R1 on carbs.
3) Does anyone know if there is anyone in the cardiff area who could tune an R1.
Cheers all
ps Be aware that a Vortex and a track day will lead to instant addiction!!
had beer so might not be compltly acurate.
1, Yes - but the bottom chassis mounts will be different I think.
2, Dont know - but BHP figures dont tell all the story ( a good spread of good bhp ) is better than one dolop between 11,000 and 11,500 RPM
3, Have not got a clue
R1 tunning would make more sense if it was me
Regards
Agriv8
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bitsilly
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| posted on 12/6/08 at 09:34 PM |
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Hmmmmm. Had not thought of turbo and to be honest wouldn't have a clue where to start unless it's been done before, but it sounds cool!
Any links etc would be useful!
Agriv8
I know torque is not something you have a shortage of but do you know if there's anyone who posts here with the hyabusa (in a vortex)?
cheers gents
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yorkshire-engines
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| posted on 12/6/08 at 10:10 PM |
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Hi ring MNR they have sold a few and one recently
also a busa is a lot better than a carb R1 but not much better than a injected 07/8 R1
2000 busa in stock on Monday £1600
cheer s malc
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neilj37
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| posted on 13/6/08 at 06:47 AM |
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Finlay on here is building a hyabusa Vortx.
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locoR1
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| posted on 13/6/08 at 06:51 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bitsilly
Hmmmmm. Had not thought of turbo and to be honest wouldn't have a clue where to start unless it's been done before, but it sounds cool!
Any links etc would be useful!
 I think I can safely say its been done before
And if its torque your after mine starts to build boost @ 4k and pulls like a train all the way to the limiter!
Have a look here all the info you should need: http://WWW.turbo-bike.net/
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marc n
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| posted on 13/6/08 at 07:35 AM |
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quote:
Our Vortex with an R1 is currently performing well on the track, but the lack of torque is frustrating.
1) Are there any Hyabusa engined Vortexes (ie does a cradle and necessary bits exist)
2) Is the Hyabusa significantly better than R1 on carbs.
3) Does anyone know if there is anyone in the cardiff area who could tune an R1.
hi ed
benefit of an early busa over an r1 is it isnt a noticable when you are two up, up to 100 there isnt a great deal in it one up in the car but over a
100 the extra ccs and power show up, especially when two up
to change
1.lower engine mounts would need to be swapped
2. different cradle
3. clutch is hydraulic rather than cable, so an extra master cylinder and different pedal needed, and of course the exhaust,
you will also need a power commander, and possibly a new front prop as the sprocket is further away from memory and wiring altering
also a baffled sump at least or a accusump / dry sump
if it was me i would turbo the r1 probably cheaper or fit the latest busa ( a real stonking engine )
cheers
marc
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marc n
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| posted on 13/6/08 at 07:37 AM |
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forgot to add that the busas , zx12s etc are considerably heavier than the r1
cheers
marc
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bassett
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| posted on 13/6/08 at 02:30 PM |
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I think busakid on here built one of the demonstrators i saw at donnington. If your after the busa the conversions going to be hassel. If it was me id
probably start a fresh with a new kit or keep what youve got and tune the current engine
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TimC
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| posted on 13/6/08 at 03:20 PM |
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Ho Ho Ho.
Go for a Turbo - that way when it is [Borat]Great Success!![/Borat] I can just copy you.
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bitsilly
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| posted on 13/6/08 at 08:03 PM |
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have e-mailed mc-express re providing the whole kit, fingers crossed it will cost 53p and will make a mad car.
Tim, have now had instruction at Llandow so look forward to watching how you do (IN MY REAR VIEW MIRROR!).
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road warrior
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| posted on 13/6/08 at 11:12 PM |
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See if someone here can give you a run in a later injected version like '06+. You are welcome to try ours but the travel could be expensive.
It could be a cheaper option as you don't need all the dry sump stuff.
What diff ratio are you running?
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marc n
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| posted on 14/6/08 at 06:09 AM |
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even changing to a newer r1 its a different manifold, cradle, lower mounts and wiring im afraid, i would go for a mild turbo conversion, we are hoping
to turbo our new 06 powered car
cheers
marc
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 14/6/08 at 07:04 PM |
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Having driven both (03) R1 and busa powered BECs of otherwise very similar spec, I completely agree with Marc's observations. At road speeds
there's very little difference and its only when you get into 3 figures on track that the busa gains ground, so upgrading to a Busa is a big
expense for a small gain.
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Davey D
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| posted on 14/6/08 at 08:13 PM |
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you could always supercharge it. that way there is no need to alter the exhaust system, and make new holes in the bodywork. There are also companies
out there selling full supercharge kits for the R1 
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bitsilly
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| posted on 14/6/08 at 09:17 PM |
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Yep, am waiting for some info on supercharging, but it is early days yet, I think that the best first step is to get the car to PDQ for a proper tune,
then if that does not release a sufficient boost then take the next step.
Still nice problem to have hey!
Thanks for all the feedback gents.
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marc n
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| posted on 15/6/08 at 08:22 AM |
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would definately get car to the rollers, if you havent had it anywhere since you got it, it probably needs carbs rebalancing as well
cheers
marc
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Triggerhappy
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| posted on 25/8/08 at 11:35 AM |
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reading these remarks i start to sway a bit about my enginechoice.
My plan has been to use 2008 Hayabusa engine but if the benefit over an R1 is less than obvious then i might reconsider...
I haven“t ordered car or engine yet but will in near future.
My car will be road registred but fast on the track is the main goal!
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marc n
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| posted on 25/8/08 at 03:35 PM |
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the comparisons made on here where against the earlier busa s
the new 08 busa is the real deal but is a lot more money than the newer r1 s 05 - 08
cheers
marc
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