Your offering to sell on CD copies of the CAD models for this...
A Porsche WSC95 Le Mans Car?
Have you purchased the rights to this car?
just a couple of things guys.
thanks to all who have sent me a message regarding same, requesting a copy of the drawings.
well firstly you will have to wait untill i get some more Ram into this thing so i can download them properly, i installed Design works and it killed
the poor thing, had to remove it again
secondly when i can, i will post a couple of body profile nest snap shot pics, similar to the chassis pic i have already posted elswhere, so you can
get an idea of what the quailty is like, but i can assure you its top notch, full size , done with Design Cad, and if any one is interested in
purchasing same i will post a copy to them on disc for a reasonable donation the the toy money fund.
i must plead ignorant as to there value as i bought them as part of the package with the car, but the disc contains not only the body drawings
including both front and rear under tray and diffuser, but also the chassis and every bracket nut bolt etc on the car including complete drawings for
all the uprights, adustable sway bars, all suspension components, pedal box etc, you name it its there
the only thing missing is the rear shock mountings and push rod bell crank mounts, but the designer is doing those for me in the next couple of weeks.
cheers Kaspa
[Edited on 2/4/08 by Kaspa]
So lets get this right...
Your offering to sell on CD copies of the CAD models for this...
A Porsche WSC95 Le Mans Car?
Have you purchased the rights to this car?
a space framed replica of it yes, so i dont think the rights of anyone are being violated,
Kaspa
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Originally posted by Kaspa
a space framed replica of it yes, so i dont think the rights of anyone are being violated,
Kaspa
i think they might be...
if that were the case then there are a lot of LO Cost builders out there violating, as well as god knows how many other replicas of various makes and
models, that have been copied over the years.
what i have is purely a replica and is in no way an exact copy of the original, which was monocoque, this is space framed.
hell a good freind of mine races a copy of a Lola T 212 he built himself and we have two home built Radical copies running in our class, as well as a
couple of Mallock copies, pluss we also have an almost exact copy of a F40 powered by a lexus V8 that races out here, and no ones been sued as yet to
my knowledge.
i feel pretty comfortable
Kaspa
[Edited on 2/4/08 by Kaspa]
you can build replica's of anything all you want, so long as they are always sold as such. That's what p!sses Ferrari off, when someone
claims their replica as a Ferrari and so they sue the ass off them. Say its not real and your fine, only a breach in copyright if you claim its
something its not.
[Edited on 2/4/08 by Mr Whippy]
Thank you sir you are so right, i no Grant who built the F40 replica had a couple of letters from Milano but as he has called it The Silloette and not
a Ferrari theres stuff all they can do
and as you can see i have named our reproduction a Stanton WSC which in no way compromises the name of the original. its only a look alike after
all.
they should be flattered.
and also i'm not selling the disc, meerly asking for donations to my favourite charity, for a copy of someones enormous time and effort in
creating the said disc.
i dont think thats a crime
Kaspa
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Originally posted by Kaspa
donations to my favourite charity, for a copy of someones enormous time and effort in creating the said disc.
i dont think thats a crime
Kaspa
Why is everyone so quick to bust a guys balls?
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Originally posted by dl_peabody
Why is everyone so quick to bust a guys balls?
yeh right why pick on me .
no i didnt create it i bought it of the very clever guy that did.
first and formost no i'm not a comercial enterprise, just a poor strugling builder trying to get a car built, and if some one wants a copy of
what ive got , i'm more than happy to share same for a donation to the build fund.
so digger if thats a problem with you guys my suggestion, is go build a bridge, [and get over it]
kaspa
[Edited on 2/4/08 by Kaspa]
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Originally posted by Kaspa
an almost exact copy of a F40 powered by a lexus V8 that races out here
[Edited on 2/4/08 by Kaspa]
What format are the CAD drawings in? Or are there model files too?
And what sort of figure are you looking at for a disc posted out to the UK?
As far as the legal argument goes, can I ask what has already been asked? Does the person that did all the hard work know you are selling it on?
If everyone involved is fine for these files to be passed on, maybe it would be better to host them so they are readily available, much like several
other people have already done here in the Locost family (mcsorley, ron's ones are about somewhere, and chris gibbs' too). Saves you having
to burn discs and post them out.
[Edited on 2/4/08 by balidey]
The only way you can get in the sh!t with this is if the CAD drawings are proprietary or copyright items. If they are not either, you cant get in
trouble. Understandably, this is a relatively small community and if they are restricted you're unlikely to catch any flak. Better safe than
sorry though. 
Ah I now see what the concern is.
If you are selling drawings belonging to a company (just for example MK) supplied for your information to help with a kit build, much like a manual.
Then that copyright still belongs to MK and thus you must ask their permission to sell it on for profit (you may sell it on for less than you paid for
it unless doing so breaches an intellectual property agreement), usually if they agree they will require a commission or percentage of the profit you
make. There is also this issue of intellectual copy right that you may be given drawings etc on the understanding that these are for you information
and not to be given to anyone else who may use that to compete unfairly against the original copyright owner in their business.
If however you purchased the drawings as part of a change in ownership of the company, then you now own the copyright.
The other scenario would be the guy who did/is doing the drawings might not care one bit either way, but if he would mind then I’d ask permission
first.
That'll be a bit like how you asked Autodesk if they minded before you 'acquired' a copy of Autocad really then wont it 
Don't take it personaly Mr Whippy I'm not having a pop at you I just think we should get off our high horses and give Kaspa a break.
In case you didn't get my u2u btw Kaspa I'm interested in a copy
[Edited on 2/4/08 by D Beddows]
Was I suppose to be taking something personally? 
never noticed
I was just offering advice on copyright issues, not that I'm an expert, just picked up a bit about it when pinching other companies designs 
[Edited on 2/4/08 by Mr Whippy]
Guys lets get a few plain ole facts straight before this gets out of hand.
1/ I now own the disc outright and the person who designed it and created the drawings dosnt give a toss what i do with them, as they are now my
property.
2/ I'm not a comercial enterprise in any shape or form, just an old semi retired deisel mech tying to finalise a dream.
3/they are all done by a profesional design cad operator , thats his profession.
4/the only reason i thought they might be of value to some people, is there are some very good drawings of things like, a complete adjustable sway bar
set up. all profiles to make your own rear uprites. plus many other intracate peices that go into building your own car from scratch, not to mention
all the full size profiles to make a body similar to the original.
if people have a problem with me offing these out there for a donation to my build then fine , i will just shut up and leave the disc where it is and
you can all go jump and work it all out yourself, not a problem.
to those people that are seriously interested and have u2uéd me thanks for your positive comments and if you email me directly i will get back to
you
cheers Kaspa
[Edited on 2/4/08 by Kaspa]
Dom9, the link to Steves F40 site.
a very clever man also.
http://www.f40.co.nz/f40/index.aspx
good ole Kiwi engiuity
Kaspa
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Originally posted by Kaspa
Dom9, the link to Steves F40 site.
a very clever man also.
http://www.f40.co.nz/f40/index.aspx
good ole Kiwi engiuity
Kaspa
well i finaly figured out how to save a snapshot off of the disc so here is a pic of the nose cone nest
the person who is responsible for all this has his own design enginering buisness so i would expect he no's a bit about what he dose, and all i
no is its all done with Design Cad.
you may get the info your looking for off the drawing as to what program etc he uses all i no are all files have a SSL prefix, sorry i cant be of
more assistance but my knowledge of Cad is zero.
kaspa
[Edited on 2/4/08 by Kaspa]
I've had a look at some of the drawings Kaspa has, these things are the real deal.
Having some idea of the amount of effort that will have gone into the creation of this data, I've advised him to keep a lid on this information
until he gets a proper understanding of it commercial value.
Doug thanks for the help and advice, i may just do that, and sit on them for the time being as you so wisly have advised, i have had a couple of
offers for the disc already but being a layman in this feild i had no idea of the time and effort that must have gone into creating this beast, i do
no its takin him over 4 years to get this far and how many hrs of that was spent at the computer doing the designing and drawing one could only guess,
as you said your up to 1000hrs pluss and havnt got this far yet, oh dear.
so what i may do is seperate the drawings and if some one just wants the body , or an individual item, ie uprites etc i may see what i can do, but the
complete set for the car is not on offer for the time being
sorry guys
cheers Kaspa
to all interested parties in the drawings for the WSC, on advice i will be more than happy to send copies to any and every who wants them but they
will be in PDF formatt with a disclaimer attached, as i will have no control whatso ever in how you use them, i cannot be responsible if you hurt
yourself, or someone else.
its a bloody shame the world has come to this, but thats the only legal way it can be done
if your happy with that then by all means get in touch
Cheers Kaspa
Are the PDF CAD drawings fully dimensioned? A PDF version of that view you posted above will be absolutely useless to me (or anyone really) so if
thats whats on offer I'll retract my request for a copy.
If they are good cad drawings in PDF form then I'm still interested.
Actually a picture of the chassis would be useful if you can post one.
they are full sized working Cad files in both layout and model format, and that pic is meerly that , a picture snap shot of one of the plasma profile
files. so people could get an idea of whats there
if you want to see pics of a completed chassis go here
http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/
every component on that chassis has a drawing on file
the model you will see is a 1/4 scale model, plasma cut out useing the file for a trial, and it fits together perfectly, i only hope i can build a
full size one as good.
cheers Kaspa
[Edited on 4/4/08 by Kaspa]
Looks superb let me know when your ready to sell the discs i would be very interested.
Kind regards Mick
hi there I have sent a u2u as well
People, good god ive had so many queries for this from all around the world i'm blown away, i had no idea of 1/ the amount of interest or 2/ the
value of what i now posses.
i have taken some expert advice from a couple of learned freinds who have been through the disc and as engineers no what it contains etc, and now have
a fair idea of what it would cost if was to walk off the street and have this work done for me by a CAD design engineer, and its a scary figure.
i would like to share what i have, and there is a few ways it could be done.
1/ set up a web site and sell subsciptions, and you get access to files as you need them, on a pay as you build option.
2/ sell the disc outrite to some one who wishes to build the car, or any of its components on a commercial scale.
3/ sell the files in partial lots , ie chassis, then suspension components etc etc as the build progresses, then finaly body.
Thats the advice i have been given, so i would be rather silly to ignore it.
As for the website option, i havnt a clue how to go about that, so if anybody out there is will to help out on that side of things for a pecentage of
sales etc, i'd be more than happy to have them get in touch.
or if any one else has a feasible plan of attack get in touch
Thanks guys
cheers John
hi,
I have sent you a u2u about websights.
blake
or you could write a book
Build your own LMP for as little as £250
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or you could write a book
Just to clarify intellectual rights issues that has been brought up a couple of times, i have this evening spoken to the designer, builder of the
project so far, and he is fully agreeable to what ever i propose to do with the disc as it is , in his own words, Now My Property; to do what i like
with and he has no problem with that, whatso ever.
as some of you may have guessed i have been stalling things a trifel untill this was cleared up just to make sure i was doing the right thing by all
those concerned. and now i have peace of mind , to those out there that are serious, get in touch by all means.
cheers Kaspa
[Edited on 12/4/08 by Kaspa]
well things have progressed a little, after umpteen god knows how many enquiries and to and frowing about what things are worth etc , well i let the
market set a price which people are happy with, and thats what has happened, two copies of the disc have been sold , both to the States and by all
reports the recipients are happy with what they got.
i wont mention the price here as i'm not a redgistered trader on this forum and dont wish to upset the apple cart, but if anyone is still
seriously interested by all means pm me and i will let you no.
cheers Kaspa
I sincerely hope that you have put a very substantial disclaimer on the information to protect yourself. I have been down this path and very very strongly suggest you seek some legal advice.
thanks for the concern, but like most things where a design or kit etc is sold , i have no input into the contruction etc so cannot offer any sort of
gaurentee.
its purley up to the individual to follow or alter what ever when ever to suit there own requirments..
they purchase the disc under that provsiso
besides i'm broke, sue me.
cheers Kaspa
The simple thing is to provide a disclaimer that you provide no guarantees to accuracy etc etc and the you strongly advise them not to use the data within...then if they do, you are covered. I have this issue with the project car in Race Magazine. The idea to 'sell' plans was shelved when I found out that the insurance was huge and effectively had no time limit.
A couple of facts i found out today from our Cad design engineer at work, who spent the weekend going over the disc and is doing some torsionial
stress studies for me on the chassis.
1/ the program used to create it, $18000 NZ, pluss an annual subsciption fee of a couple of grand.
2/ he estimates somewhere in the region of 800 to 1200 hrs of work has gone into it, and at $100 to $150 an hr, thats a lot of money.
its certainly not an avenue i would be going down as an option. scary stuff.
but on a brighter note , two copies have been sold, and one chassis is already starting to take shape, It will be LS7 Chev powered with a porsche G50
trans, should be an absolute rocket.
cheers Kaspa
[Edited on 22/5/08 by Kaspa]