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Briatore ban overturned
MikeCapon - 5/1/10 at 03:10 PM

Words fail me. The full details are yet to be released but apparently it's OK to fix F1 races by organising accidents.

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[Edited on 5/1/10 by MikeCapon]

oldtimer - 5/1/10 at 03:13 PM

OMG

designer - 5/1/10 at 03:16 PM

See how Bernie's mates are above any law.

speedyxjs - 5/1/10 at 03:29 PM

scootz - 5/1/10 at 03:29 PM

iank - 5/1/10 at 03:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeCapon
Words fail me. The full details are yet to be released but apparently it's OK to fix F1 races by organising accidents.

Planet F1

ETA More here on James Allen

[Edited on 5/1/10 by MikeCapon]


That's not how I read it. It seems to me that the judge has decided the FIA didn't have the authority or power to ban someone for life either based on their own rulebook and/or the law.

To be honest the race fixing/crashing allegations should always have been handled by a real court rather than Max+mates making it up as they go along.

iank - 5/1/10 at 03:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by designer
See how Bernie's mates are above any law.


What law? It never went anywhere near a real court.

blakep82 - 5/1/10 at 03:43 PM

i don't think i'll be losing any sleep over it

pewe - 5/1/10 at 03:55 PM

That is a true travesty.
They allegedly incited a driver to crash, endangering his life, that of track-side officials and spectators.
They affected not only the result of that race but also the World Championship and effectively robbed Massa of a World title.
Surely Max and his mates would have been better off declaring the results of that race null and void - something over which they have jurisdiction.
Also what happened to the Malaysian authorities taking legal action for inciting endangerment to life?
As I've always said "where silly money is involved people do silly things"!

That's my two pennies worth for all it will count!

Cheers, Pewe

[Edited on 5/1/10 by pewe]

designer - 5/1/10 at 03:58 PM

I suppose this all comes under the 'competitive' nature of sport!!

Like the 'bloodgate' scandal in Rugby.

No comebacks, no shame.

iank - 5/1/10 at 04:20 PM

quote:
Originally posted by pewe
That is a true travesty.

Possibly
quote:

They incited a driver to crash, endangering his life, that of track-side officials and spectators.

Need to be careful making potentially libelous assertions against people with better lawyers that you.
quote:

They affected not only the result of that race but also the World Championship and effectively robbed Massa of a World title.
Surely Max and his mates would have been better off declaring the results of that race null and void - something over which they have jurisdiction.

It would seem a French judge may agree with you on that point.
quote:

Also what happened to the Malaysian authorities taking legal action for inciting endangerment to life?

As the second article says "Briatore always denied the allegations and there is only the word of Piquet and Witness X to implicate Briatore." They'd not last 5 mins in court against a decent QC with 'evidence' that flimsy.

Though he may also have a big book of dirt on the indiscretions of half the people in f1 which would have helped avoid any court time.
quote:

As I've always said "where silly money is involved people do silly things"!

That's my two pennies worth for all it will count!

Cheers, Pewe

gdp66 - 5/1/10 at 04:24 PM

like it never happened before, I can think of at least 2 other incidents a particular driver deliberate crashed into other drivers to win races & the championship.

Was this not with information from the team as to what points were required to secure the title !!!

eddie99 - 5/1/10 at 04:43 PM

I agree with some of you but on his side, this is his full time job: Your telling him he is banned from working in a way so i understand why they can not keep it in place
just my thoughts
Thanks
Eddie

GMPMotorsport - 5/1/10 at 04:44 PM

it's supposed to be a sport! sadly when big money gets involved the sport side dies away and the money and politics take over, not only in motorsport but football as well. shame.............

britishtrident - 5/1/10 at 09:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeCapon
Words fail me. The full details are yet to be released but apparently it's OK to fix F1 races by organising accidents.

Planet F1

ETA More here on James Allen

[Edited on 5/1/10 by MikeCapon]


The courts decision was as expected by most unbiased observers it was 100% correct and actually nothing to do with the fact that result of the race was fixed by Piquet's crash.

You should read the translation of the court's judgment it is pretty damming on the FiA and Max Mosley's conduct of the case.

For years it suited Max Mosley to ignore Flavio's outright cheating when it suited Mosley's own ends, for example the Renault Team having a great deal of McLaren's technical IP widely destributed via the teams computer network to all levels of the team engineering staff. Unlike the McLaren Spygate case the spread of the McLaren IP within the Renault team was widespread and known about by senior management.

The FIA had been aware of the Piquet jnr planned accident for almost a year before Mosley decided to take action. By strange coincidence Mosley only set the investigation in motion after FOTA took a stand against Mosley. Flavio was of course one the major prime movers within FOTA and was nominated to handle FOTA negotiations with Max and Bernie.

Returning to the the subject of the Singapore race fix it has always struck me that Piquet jnr wasn't punished or the person who benefitted most from the race fix Alonso was not properly investigated.
Personally I think Pat Symmonds version of events is the closest to the truth the proposition was put to Pat and Flavio by Piquet jnr but I do not think Piquet jnr had the knowledge or experience to come up with the plan and that it was suggested to him by another person with more experience of F1.


Also if you want to be holier than thou with regard to cheating and causing deliberate crashes in F1 I would advise changing your avatar.



[Edited on 6/1/10 by britishtrident]

martyn_16v - 5/1/10 at 10:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by pewe
Surely Max and his mates would have been better off declaring the results of that race null and void - something over which they have jurisdiction.


Well no, they don't. As far as I can remember their own rules state that a race result cannot be altered after the end of the season. By the time it all came out (in public at least) the race result was set in stone.

RK - 6/1/10 at 12:02 AM

Eddie, you don't really think Flavio needs F1 to make a living so he can keep himself in bolognese spag sauce do you? He needs F1 for his ego, that's all.

britishtrident - 6/1/10 at 08:21 AM

quote:
Originally posted by pewe
That is a true travesty.
They allegedly incited a driver to crash, endangering his life, that of track-side officials and spectators.
They affected not only the result of that race but also the World Championship and effectively robbed Massa of a World title.
****************snip ***************

[Edited on 5/1/10 by pewe]




The real scandal was the FiA under Max Mosley attempts to fix the the WDC in Massa favour by bending race results and throw every obstacle it could in the path of the McLaren team.

britishtrident - 6/1/10 at 08:43 AM

Here is selected high lights quoted from the judgement.

"The decision of the World Council was presided over by the FIA president, who was well known to be in conflict with Briatore, with Mr. Mosley having played a leading role in launching the enquiry and its investigation in violation of the principle of separation of the power of the bodies.

"The decision [of the FIA World Motor Sport Council] is not annulled but declared irregular, and rendered without effect in its provisions against Mr. Briatore and Mr. Symonds."

The court added that the FIA will be now forced to notify F1 teams and the public, through adverts in French newspapers, that both Briatore and Symonds's bans have been lifted.

"The FIA is consequently obliged to notify within two weeks it is lifting the provisions to its members and licence holders, particularly the 13 teams entered into the FIA Formula 1 world championship 2010," it added. "This must be published in the French newspapers, of the choice of Mr. Briatore and Mr. Symonds – at the FIA's cost, up to a limited cost of 15,000 and 5,000 respectively."
end quote

The court isn't saying what Piquet, Briatore, Symonds and renault did was in anyway right, in effect they are saying Max Mosley abused his power and that he conducted what was in effect a show trial to satisfy his person desire for revenge on Flavio. In effect the trial was a witch hunt it dosen't matter that the accused was highly likely to have been guilty.

What is of real interest now is how Jean Todt will sort out the mess, especially as in the view of many Todt's own hands aren't exactly spotless.