) [Edited on 25/3/10 by D Beddows]
Are these garages starting to take the P-ss or what.
Locally to me the price of petrol has gone up over 4.9p in a week per litre.
And that doesnt include the budjet 1P at the start of April etc etc.
Locally to me it is currently £118.9 per litre which is an outrage!!!
Why no blockades,people moaning etc
I found out recently if you are a company of a certain size and have a fleet of vechicles cars/lorries etc and you use fuel cards ie Allstar,you now
get a rebate on the pump prices which means that the lorry drivers are happy leaving the rest of us to be stuffed!!!!! just like everything else.
Am i the only one noticing how much we are been ripped off or are people brewing something in there back garden and running there cars on that.
Rant over
Unfortunately once we breached the £1/ltr they can charge more without us noticing to much... Might have to fit an efficient engine to the 7!
Dan
Rubbish yes BUT there should be protests outside the headquarters of the major banks instead, who we as taxpayers had to fund because they f**ked up
big time but now we have to refinance the country while they're back on easy street...... If it wasn't petrol it would be something else
(obviously if you've a banker who's just had a £100,000 bonus what do you care what you do - you've f**ked up BAD but 12 months later
you get a HUGE bonus so the bank doesn't loose you ...... )
[Edited on 25/3/10 by D Beddows]
edit: forget that. i've had an idea 
but i've had another one too. imagine for a week, EVERYONE in the country phoned in sick for work. imagine the fuel that wouldn't be used,
the money that wouldn't be raised, and the money lost from business.
would certainly raise a few eyebrows. fuel is getting to a point where i'm starting to wonder if i can really afford to drive to work anymore,
and i certainly couldn't afford bus prices and times either
[Edited on 25/3/10 by blakep82]
Time to put the mileage charge up our customers from April 1st, held off long enough.
At least that'll give them something else to whinge at me for
This is locostbuilders take a look at:
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And
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I think you cant do this legally at home though in the uk... (might blowup the neighbors/drink it!)
Dan
[Edited on 25/3/10 by Bluemoon]
Yep 118.9 here too in most places and a lot of smaller garages are 122.9
Last time the prices dropped dramatically it was because the gov't had a go at the oil companies to bring their prices down as crude prices had
fallen.... well crude is still lower than it was at its peak (currently around $80/barrel i think and it peaked at nearly double...) but the oil
companies have snuck prices back up steadily almost week on week....
Trouble is no one is willing to protest about it.
Its all over the place here. Last week was going up 1~2p every day but on friday for some reason there was a big drop.
My derv prices...
Thursday:
Tesco 116.9
BP 118.9
Total 118.9
Services 121.9
Friday:
Tesco 114.9
BP119.9
Total 114.9
Services 124.9
Of course LPG is still well under 60p and the veg oil in Tesco last night was £5 for 6 litres..
don't mind the oil companies so much, they're the ones doing the work to get it to us. i have got a problem with the taxes though. we get
taxed on making money, and then again on spending it! and also the vat tax on the fuel tax that really takes it
[Edited on 25/3/10 by blakep82]
yet another bit of daylight robbery from them in power....
you should see the pricing team at BP, they have never been so busy 
the highest BP price i have seen is Watford Gap Services, £123.9 for ULSP and £124.9 for DERV.
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
don't mind the oil companies so much, they're the ones doing the work to get it to us. i have got a problem with the taxes though. we get taxed on making money, and then again on spending it! and also the vat tax on the fuel tax that really takes it
it is easily remedied if everybody boycots one fuel company for a week , eg BP one week then SHELL, and so on , they will soon sit up and take notice ,,
the whole thing is now f-in disgusting!
what do we get for our council tax?
(what did the gov do before they brought in poll tax or whatever the hell they call it these days)
Where is all this tax money going? Most stuff is now privatised compared to years ago and now both parties in a house are working whilst 30 yrs ago
that was rare.
this country really is in the sh1t
Must confess.
I'm still pretty happy with my 85p/litre bio.
Can't really think why I would want to opt for dinodiesel instead.
Now waiting for engine to blow up....
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
don't mind the oil companies so much, they're the ones doing the work to get it to us. i have got a problem with the taxes though. we get taxed on making money, and then again on spending it! and also the vat tax on the fuel tax that really takes it
Hmm fuel duty actually only increase 2 or 3 times per year at around 2 or 3p at a time.
All other variation and rises during the year are due to the oil companies....so the 30-40p its gone up in the last 12 months is mostly down to the oil companies, not the gov't.
Stop moaning. We're at roughly 1,34 UKpounds/litre here in the Netherlands....
It's a supply/demand thing. Nothing more, nothing less...
quote:
Originally posted by AndyGT
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
don't mind the oil companies so much, they're the ones doing the work to get it to us. i have got a problem with the taxes though. we get taxed on making money, and then again on spending it! and also the vat tax on the fuel tax that really takes it
Hmm fuel duty actually only increase 2 or 3 times per year at around 2 or 3p at a time.
All other variation and rises during the year are due to the oil companies....so the 30-40p its gone up in the last 12 months is mostly down to the oil companies, not the gov't.
I thought fuel duty was calculated as a percentage? Then the VAT was then put on the fuel plus duty?
Correct me if I'm wrong...
quote:
Originally posted by Bluemoon
... Might have to fit an efficient engine to the 7!
Dan
quote:
but when you look at it, how much is petrol ACTUALLY worth? ie how much money goes to the oil companies themselves? its only about 50p isn't it (i don't actually know now, but it was 30p a couple of years ago)? the rest is tax. the government doesn't do any work to get the petrol to us, but they get more money from it than the oil companies. thats what i have the problem with
Gees, I feel real lucky, only paying $101.9 a litre here, for our own gas, so thats about .75 litre to the pound.
I really don't understand how charging tax on tax is legal, it just doesn't make any sense what so ever.
I too want to know what all my tax is being squandered on, especially the council tax (Actually I know what they spend that on, blocking all the roads
when ever Calais decides to have the day off). There are Pot holes washing machine drums all around the town and even in the centre of town yet the
lowest council tax band is about £1000 and the town has a population of about 113500.
So what do you do about it?
We all moan about it for a day or so but everybody in this country just gets on with it and accepts it.
I am only talking about fuel at the moment,
I like the idea of boycotting the certain garages but with respect a few hundred Locosters isnt going to make the Sh-t them selves.
So what do you do?
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
yep!
but when you look at it, how much is petrol ACTUALLY worth? ie how much money goes to the oil companies themselves? its only about 50p isn't it (i don't actually know now, but it was 30p a couple of years ago)? the rest is tax. the government doesn't do any work to get the petrol to us, but they get more money from it than the oil companies. thats what i have the problem with
quote:
Originally posted by sonic
So what do you do about it?
We all moan about it for a day or so but everybody in this country just gets on with it and accepts it.
I am only talking about fuel at the moment,
I like the idea of boycotting the certain garages but with respect a few hundred Locosters isnt going to make the Sh-t them selves.
So what do you do?
Do MK and MNR make bikes Graham
Maybe we could start a Kitbike company and you could do the welding!!!!
HaHa
quote:
Originally posted by sonic
I like the idea of boycotting the certain garages but with respect a few hundred Locosters isnt going to make the Sh-t them selves.
quote:
Originally posted by sonic
Do MK and MNR make bikes Graham
Maybe we could start a Kitbike company and you could do the welding!!!!
HaHa
Guess we could all fit diesels and run them on homemade bio diesel...
Unfortunately using a still to make ethanol is illegal, but i dont think that would stop many..
Or strap a load of big batteries to your car and replace the engine with an electric motor, no tax then either iirc 
it needs a nationwide push.....
everyone needs to be united!!!!
im going to start a party called the british peoples front!!!!!
whos with me???
quote:
Originally posted by sebastiaan
It's a supply/demand thing. Nothing more, nothing less...
Do you have any idea how expensive petrol is here in the Netherlands??!
UK fuel is cheap.
Dave,
Quick tip
1. Read thread
2. Read my post above and see quote
3. Note quote is from sebastiaan
4. Read sebastiaan's post and see he gives a price for fuel in NL
5. Think again about posting.
I couldn't give a shite about the price of fuel in NL, it just makes them even more gullable than we are..
What I am concerned about is the price discrepancy between UK/Europe average as a whole compared to the US/Can/Aust.
It's down to TAX, nothing else!
ATB
Simon
[Edited on 26/3/10 by Simon]
95 cents recently not far from me. Don't come over all at once now!
It is even less in the US, mostly because actually taxing people is seen as antidemocratic, antiGod, etc etc. How would they pay for their bullets if
they had to pay tax on anything? Roads, sewers, buses? Manna from heaven of course.
It must be said that our distances are quite large, so you end up paying about the same yearly I'm quite sure.
My question is: how much would you be paying in the UK if there was NO oil burbling out of the North Sea? I shudder.
[Edited on 26/3/10 by RK]
Dude, calm down....
The base price of petrol is based on supply-demand balance (since the oil price is and that evenutally sets the petrol price; together with a load of
other parameters that are mostly also suppl-demand based.)
The tax is the tricky bit. Yes, we'd all like to have the streetlights on at night and would like the police to come round when your house has
been broken in to / crashed into by a chav in a Saxo. Policemen dont work for free (neither would you, so it's unfair to ask them to!) so there
is a need for taxes. The issue you are raising is more on the efficiency of the government, which is certainly a valid one. What can you do about it?
VOTE! You still have the privilege to live in a democratic country where you can basically say what you want and choose (in part, that's how
democracy works) who runs the country.
So, in short, either vote for someone who you think will clean up shop, run for prime-minister yourself, shut up or move somewhere else. Those are
roughly your choices aren't they?
ps. Thanks for calling us gullible. That's really appreciated.
quote:
Originally posted by Simon
Dave,
Quick tip
1. Read thread
2. Read my post above and see quote
3. Note quote is from sebastiaan
4. Read sebastiaan's post and see he gives a price for fuel in NL
5. Think again about posting.
I couldn't give a shite about the price of fuel in NL, it just makes them even more gullable than we are..
What I am concerned about is the price discrepancy between UK/Europe average as a whole compared to the US/Can/Aust.
It's down to TAX, nothing else!
ATB
Simon
[Edited on 26/3/10 by Simon]
quote:
Originally posted by Simon
Dave,
Quick tip
1. Read thread
2. Read my post above and see quote
3. Note quote is from sebastiaan
4. Read sebastiaan's post and see he gives a price for fuel in NL
5. Think again about posting.
I couldn't give a shite about the price of fuel in NL, it just makes them even more gullable than we are..
[Edited on 26/3/10 by Simon]
quote:
Originally posted by sebastiaan
ps. Thanks for calling us gullible. That's really appreciated.
Good one there!
It's worth noting that oil is sold in US$, and the UK Pound is dropping rapidly against the $, so we (the country) have to pay more £££ to get a
barrel of oil.
So, apart from the government grasping tax off us, the incompetence of said government in balancing the books is also contributing to the recent
sudden increase in the cost of fuel.
quote:
Originally posted by Brommers
Simon,
A few quick tips:
1. Calm down.
2. Go get a refund from the charm school.
3. Go to a different one and try taking the 'Basic courtesy to others' course
4. Buy a dictionary
5. Use it.
Once you've done all that, you could try some counselling for advanced irrational Europhobia.
We even have a client who's German. Have
another who's Dutch quote:
Originally posted by sebastiaan
The issue you are raising is more on the efficiency of the government, which is certainly a valid one. What can you do about it? VOTE! You still have the privilege to live in a democratic country where you can basically say what you want and choose (in part, that's how democracy works) who runs the country.
So, in short, either vote for someone who you think will clean up shop, run for prime-minister yourself, shut up or move somewhere else. Those are roughly your choices aren't they?
I get a warm smug feeling every week when I fill my tank with LPG and get change fom 30 quid.
And i bet if we all got gas converted the price of gas would be £5.00 a gallon within a month,and they would bull---t there way into justifying why!!
The government has been saying for years that when LPG usage goes above a certain level it will start being taxed as much as petrol.
The government gets so much revenue from Fuel duty (And all the other taxes foisted on the motorist) that noone is going to offer cuts on it and all
parties have long term plans to make motoring more expensive. If the majority of people pick up on any fuel they will tax it heavilly, and charge us
Tax on that tax that we'll pay with money we've already payed tax on.
The only way to avoid it is to be different and use a fuel noone else is using.
As soon as they figure a way to tax you for breathing, it'll be done.
Still at least they can't put a dye in electricity so if you're bright enough you can make your own for the electric cars we'll all be
driving.
ATB
Simon
I don't understand the electric car thing either!
So we all by an Electric car,where does the Electric come from?
Power stations which are widley known to be the biggest poluter on the planet.
So more demand for Electric mean more power station etc etc
Doesnt make sence to me, Sorry
exactly, and its the same for all fuel sources. Your either burning carbon from the ground or using something that resulted from the same process (Most hydrogen is created with electricity and it takes more power to make it than it produces. Its all a con to guilt people into giving money to someone else, just like carbon offsetting, the enviromental arguement for buses and everything else.
Well, it seems as if the oil companies have done a good job convincing people that prices of petrol are all the government's fault. Did you know
that Albertans pay about the same as all the other residents of all the other provinces for fuel? And they have NO provincial taxes on it! So who is
to blame for that one? Yes, that is the biggest oil producer in Canada.
Used to be that natural gas for heating was cheap til everyone started getting natural gas furnaces. Then it went HIGHER than heating oil.
They're all b###stds.
There is no reason people can't reduce consumption or use alternative sources of energy. Wind is pretty plentiful for generating wattage for your
new cars. Just put a windmill in front of Downing Street and you've got enough for the Beautiful South!
Wind farms are pretty useless in the UK, most of the country isn't windy enough and even at full pelt a wind turbine doesn't make much
power, also wind gives it metal fatigure so they don't last very long and cost an absolute fortune. You can buy a little wind generator that they
install on your house, but in London it would take a thousand years to pay for itself (Was on BBC a few years ago).
Nuclear power is the only viable energy source that doesn't use fossil fuels but people are afraid of it so its not used.
quote:
Originally posted by morcus
exactly, and its the same for all fuel sources. Your either burning carbon from the ground or using something that resulted from the same process (Most hydrogen is created with electricity and it takes more power to make it than it produces. Its all a con to guilt people into giving money to someone else, just like carbon offsetting, the enviromental arguement for buses and everything else.
Sort of true, if you don't take into accout emissions made in the farming and manufacturing process. As far the Government is concerned though,
the car itself will be emitting an exhaust containing carbon dioxide and all that, even if it came out of the air.
That arguement is arguably at least partly true for all fossil fuels.
I paid 1.20 a litre for Shell Volumex yesterday (or whatever its called...)
67 English pounds to fill my Saab up
There are a lot of wealthy people getting wealthier, the world is over a barrel excuse the pun.
And of course you cannot get into the local car showrooms from all the big producers of cars, they have so many alternatives to carbon fuel vehicles
its unbelievable the choice.
Once every UK car is Eco friendly running on electricity, with convenient top up stations spread across every corner of the UK, then with all the
power stations we build in the UK, the electricity will be so so cheap wont it !!!!
Errrrrrr wait a minute, No it will not.
Or do I jump on the new National high speed rail link, oh dear its not coming to the North East, or on one of the many excellent forms of public
transport we have here.
Its all shat ...
I had week in Holland recently, do not think the Germans are the only efficient operators in Europe, the Dutch have thought about public transport,
and invested in it.
Just like the UK, errrrrr hang on ?
We are having our eyes ripped out !
Rant complete, thanks for listening
even when its availible, public transport is too expensive, I could fly to poland and back for less than a one way trip to stanstead on public transport.
Holland -
Delft, Den Haag, Leiden, Haarlem, Amsterdam & return to Delft.
25Euros
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Spain
Barcelona to Girona - About an hour from memory = 8Euros. Modern train tables seats etc, even a really clever sign tells you in English & Espanol
time to the next station and its name !
Newcastle - Birmingham 180GBP return !
I did end up with cheaper options, which came in at about 90GBP.
The eyes continue to be ripped out !
[Edited on 27/3/10 by T66]
Like I always say, if the government (local or national) wants people toget out of their cars they need to improve public transport. Which they won't do 'cause it costs money. And when they DO, they cock it up... like all this talk of guided busways. Useless.
The reason its cocked up is because...
The transport providers are in their hundreds, how many rail companies are there ? 10 maybe 20...
All profit driven, ie provide the oldest rolling stock on the cheapest lines, going to the most profitable places...
The rest of the UK can sling their hook.
They have a Metro system on Tyneside, been here 20 plus years...
Old tired and on existing rail lines from the 1950s...
So handy if you live near a station, lots of people on Tyneside do not.
There is no money to improve it beyond its current stations & lines.
That is shite !
Germans come along who run the the Berlin Metro, and the unions kick off becuase they are German !!! ehhhh ?
You mean the North east would get a modern transport system designed by Germans, and the dumbkopfs here oppose it....
This country as I say week in week out, is totally arse about face.
We can sit on a railway station seat and watch arseholes urinating, swearing in front of your mum, littering and just being totally anti social...
There is nobody in authority left in this country, its all been undermined by the Labour government.
Minority rules UK,
just kick said turd up arse on railway platform and see howlong it takes to get arrested.
If your a teacher/Nurse/Soldier/Social Worker/Cop/ Doctor then you could be sacked aswell.
And the turd would be compensated.
Great Britain ....
Green Transport Problem Solved - just fit wire meshing over all roads
ATB
Simon
quote:
Originally posted by Simon
Green Transport Problem Solved - just fit wire meshing over all roads
ATB
Simon
quote:
Originally posted by sonic
So what do you do about it?
We all moan about it for a day or so but everybody in this country just gets on with it and accepts it.
I am only talking about fuel at the moment,
I like the idea of boycotting the certain garages but with respect a few hundred Locosters isnt going to make the Sh-t them selves.
So what do you do?
Don't put it on Cigs, what will do on our way to work when we can't afford petrol? Plus it would protect us from getting healthy.
Some quality rantings there Ivan... keep it up!
