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iank - 30/4/10 at 06:46 AM

Ignoring the fact it's electric, I'm not sure either way.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/249337/citroens_baby_veyron_is_go.html


greed1 - 30/4/10 at 06:48 AM

if it had a 3L and i had the money then yes i would


scootz - 30/4/10 at 06:52 AM

Kinda Cool.


whitestu - 30/4/10 at 06:52 AM

I like it.

It would be nice to see Citoren getting back to designing the most advanced cars on the market, like they did back in the 60's (I'm not saying this is evidence of that though).

Stu


iscmatt - 30/4/10 at 06:58 AM

Looks pretty good to me, though first thought was bugatti






[Edited on 30/4/10 by iscmatt]


coozer - 30/4/10 at 07:03 AM

I like it.. a lot, and I like the idea its electric just not sure the tech is evolved enough.

As said a nice mid mounted V6/8 would do the trick right now....


Guinness - 30/4/10 at 07:09 AM

Yup, I'd have one of those in a heartbeat.

Just hope they don't water the concept down, fed up of seeing nice looking concept cars which end up another bland eurobox by the time they get to production.

I think I'd prefer a hybrid powertrain until the battery tech is proven.


geoffxt - 30/4/10 at 07:13 AM

Too early in the day to consider sexy objects like this!


owelly - 30/4/10 at 07:27 AM

I like it but I don't like the wheels. I have a set of banded steels off my old Saxo.......


mad4x4 - 30/4/10 at 07:50 AM

Now that as a High Performance diesel would be Way Cool. or hydrogen (water based)....etc

But .... electric.... - How does that help the enviroment - Where do we get 80% of electricity - From FOSSIL Fuels.......

and what is the running cost

1ltr Fuel £1.20 and 1 KW electic ??p over distance travelled....... ???


BenB - 30/4/10 at 07:50 AM

It looks a bit like a HotWheels car IE a bit OTT! I think by the time it's been toned down a bit for production it will look good. At the moment it looks like it's fallen through the Chav section of halfords backwards.

But the fundamentals are there.


designer - 30/4/10 at 07:55 AM

Hate the front!

The french are producing very good cars, and the Renault Wind on show at the local dealer is a stunner!


sucksqueezebangblow - 30/4/10 at 08:16 AM

Dont like, It'll be okay untill you want to drive beyond it's range. Then you'll have to sit around for hours to charge it. Then when you come to sell it you'll discover nobody wants it 'cos the batteries cost more than its worth to replace!


FFTS - 30/4/10 at 08:20 AM

quote:
Originally posted by geoffxt
Too early in the day to consider sexy objects like this!


WHY??? sex is best in the mornings.

I love it!!! The car I mean


boggle - 30/4/10 at 10:08 AM

i liked untill i saw the badge.....


A1 - 30/4/10 at 10:57 AM

Its a bit too messy. i dont like it. at all.


RK - 30/4/10 at 01:34 PM

The wheels are too big. It would be a very harsh ride. And get those wind farms and solar panels out and you've got yourself free power.

OT does anyone know about those new wind generators that go on roof gables? I am interested for my house.
It is an English invention.


Confused but excited. - 30/4/10 at 01:40 PM

C'mon Chris, when are you publishing; 'Smarten up your old washing machine and Race it!'


Badger_McLetcher - 30/4/10 at 01:51 PM

I quite like it, though not too fond of the wheels or the rear wing. But overall yeah, I like it.


Dale - 30/4/10 at 02:25 PM

I quite like it but the wheels are way too big for my tastes. It seems over on this (Canada) side of the pond all the new cars are coming with huge /tall wheels on them.
Dale


morcus - 30/4/10 at 05:00 PM

Its Gorgeous, but I am a Citreon fan. If its a propper Citreon it'll have Hydronumatic suspension so the wheels shouldn't effect the ride (You could drive a DS with 3 wheels and no tyres, and I've ridden in an XM that had a blow out).

Electric would be cool as a second car or if the infrastructure improved but I've prefer an engine.


morcus - 30/4/10 at 05:01 PM

You want to be careful with those wind generators that go on your House, I saw something on Tv a few years ago that said in London they'd take more than a life time to break even, though I can't remember how long it was.


expatkiwi - 30/4/10 at 05:35 PM

It looked good until I saw the shatrin badge


Ninehigh - 30/4/10 at 06:56 PM

Looks good I wonder how much they'll be selling it for


morcus - 30/4/10 at 07:14 PM

How come a Citreon Badge is so distasteful to so many one here? I know build quality isn't great but Citreons usually fair better than Alfas in that respect and in many cases are just as beautiful.


JoelP - 30/4/10 at 07:47 PM

its a pointless car because the technology simply doesnt exist for battery cars at the minute, and additionally the national grid couldnt deal with charging them en masse.

Doesnt look bad, but the spoiler is pointless. As an electric car its meant to be economical hence low drag, NOT sporty. At least yet anyway.


JoelP - 30/4/10 at 07:49 PM

a much better idea would be to stick a hydrogen fuel cell in it, you could have a device at home that seperated water constantly with less electricity being required, and just top up a tank when you get home. NOT frantically try to charge batteries overnight.


Simon - 30/4/10 at 08:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by morcus
How come a Citreon Badge is so distasteful to so many one here? I know build quality isn't great but Citreons usually fair better than Alfas in that respect and in many cases are just as beautiful.


No idea - maybe everyone has a german is best complex (misguided at best I know)

I had a Picasso, and while I hated every minute I owned it, it was actually a perfectly good car. Reasonably comfy, spaciousish, never broke; just oh so average. You have to rememer we needed to replace our Rover BRM 200 due to second child, so was kind of forced into having sensible car.

A friend's dad had many french cars and I used to love the CX's (and their Renault 25 Turbo). My old man had a Volvo ........

I quite like this - reminiscent of Citroens of old:



ATB

Simon

[Edited on 30/4/10 by Simon]


morcus - 1/5/10 at 06:49 AM

My dad loved his Rovers and Citreons (He's had quite a few of each) and they all had fairly majoy faults bar his 400 (That someone crashed into the back of at 90mph and some how the court decided it was his fault).

I think your right about the German thing, even though the French make better luxury cars (maybe not as reliable).

Everyone also likes to forget that Bugatti is French (Albeit nominally).


Simon - 1/5/10 at 01:17 PM

My father nearly had an SD1 but salesman oversold product and Pops decided he was desparate. Never bought a Rover after that.

I've had numerous Mini's x 3, SD1's x2, 800 x1, 200 x 2 (wifes current ZR), ZT260.

Never let down by any of them and my old man still criticized them.

ATB

Simon


David Jenkins - 1/5/10 at 02:02 PM

I used to like Citroens when their designs were totally off-the-wall - from the Traction Avant through to the original DS. They've got far too 'boring Eurobox' lately.

I admire their bravery in this design, but it's much too bitty and doesn't really hang together... maybe it would look better in the flesh. From the side it reminds me of the Smart... perhaps that's because of the coloured panels.

BTW - talking of the DS - what's the opinion on the new DS5? I think it's hideous!


Jasper - 1/5/10 at 02:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by morcus

I think your right about the German thing, even though the French make better luxury cars (maybe not as reliable).

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I'm sorry, are you completely mad ?????? The French make a better luxury car than the Germans??? I've owned a few French cars in my time, and whilst they can make a great hot hatch, there is absolutely no way I would EVER swap my 5 series for a piece of over complicated French cr*p. I had one of the latest Espaces with all the bells on, and it spent more time in the garage than it did on my driveway. Never ever ever again would I buy a French car - the thought of driving around in one of those generic French boxes - Picasso, Scenic etc etc just fills me with dread....

When you drive a nice big German car they just feel totally different, solid, smooth, fast, comfortable, just enough electronics, beautifully made interior, handle beautifully, stop well etc etc etc. Which might be why the 5 series always gets voted top in it's class.....

Sorry about the rant ..... I'll calm down now ....


Ninehigh - 1/5/10 at 03:55 PM

Depends how you define a great luxury car, I've heard the older Citroens are far better in the comfort stakes, but the build is completely barmy.

Living round here you notice that every other car is a Vauxhall, the other half is 40% Ford, 40% Mazda. I've pretty much demanded that the next car we get is something we've never seen round here, as I don't want what everyone else has got. I'd have that Citroen now if it was available, along with just about anything else different. Coming back from Llandudno today spotted a scrappies with a load of old car shells, gonna have to go back there when I clear the garage


Simon - 1/5/10 at 07:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
Which might be why the 5 series always gets voted top in it's class.....

Sorry about the rant ..... I'll calm down now ....


Until you read the latest issue of Which?, which says the lastest BMW 5 needs to "improve on the reliablity record of its predecessor..." and "stacks up well against the ageing Audi A6".



ATB

Simon


Jasper - 1/5/10 at 08:53 PM

Yeah, and it's the previous model I've got and love and the A6 is German as well I'll think you'll find!

[Edited on 1/5/10 by Jasper]


Simon - 2/5/10 at 01:11 AM

You love the unreliable one

And the friend's dad who had the Citroen's/Ren 25 Turbo/Carlton GSi then bought, and I quote him "worst car I've ever had", yep, an Audi A6

ATB

Simon

[Edited on 2/5/10 by Simon]


Ninehigh - 2/5/10 at 05:36 AM

I imagine only the S6 would stack up against a Carlton GSi...


morcus - 2/5/10 at 07:27 AM

Luxury is a very complicated thing and German car makers usually ruin there attempts with allusions of Sportiness.
Citreon make the most comfortable cars you can buy and I'd have a C6 over a 5 series if I was in the market for that kind of car. As I said before, I've been in a Citreon that had a blow out at 70 on the motor way and none of us noticed.

Luxury is purely about Comfort and Style, everything else is Irrelvant.


Jasper - 3/5/10 at 09:08 AM

quote:
Originally posted by morcus
Luxury is a very complicated thing and German car makers usually ruin there attempts with allusions of Sportiness.
Citreon make the most comfortable cars you can buy and I'd have a C6 over a 5 series if I was in the market for that kind of car. As I said before, I've been in a Citreon that had a blow out at 70 on the motor way and none of us noticed.
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Luxury is purely about Comfort and Style, everything else is Irrelvant.


Luxury is not just about Style and Comfort, if it was then why are most of the so called luxury cars also powerful, refined, well put togther, handle well etc etc. Why make a Bentley fast then? Citroen may be make the most comfy cars, but there's so much more to luxury than just a nice soft ride.


Ninehigh - 3/5/10 at 09:42 AM

Oh yeah you don't want a Bentley that's going to struggle uphill, or blow a gasket because you've been doing 75mph for a couple of hours


morcus - 3/5/10 at 04:56 PM

That would come under comfort though. If a car is underpowered it won't be comfortable and power isn't whats wrong with German cars. As Rolls Royce literature of old states, power should be sufficient and French Luxury cars don't have issues with lack of power, they are normally slightly less powerful than their german equivalents but they're also lighter.

I don't know why I'm bothering, this isn't going to change your mind, but the only decent German Limo is the Phaeton.


Ninehigh - 3/5/10 at 05:44 PM

True, I'd have a Phaeton


morcus - 3/5/10 at 10:04 PM

Have you been in one? its amazing and you can get a good one for less than £10K


Jasper - 4/5/10 at 07:55 AM

Who said anything about wanting a limo? I want a fast, reliable (and mine has been) comfortable and fun car to drive, with acres of space in the touring boot for work - and I wouldn't have anything else ....