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Lightning - 14/7/10 at 11:18 AM

When i was a lad (some time ago) when browsing the Exchange and Mart you could get E-types for under £2k and De Tomaso Pantera for just over.

What sports cars would you suppose would have disproportionate price increases in the future???

Most TVR's - I'm biased
Jag XK- not so much XJS
Boxster
SLK??? -they are cheap at the moment
Z3??? -though ugly
MX5 -good but cant see them making hugh gains

Thoughts????

franky - 14/7/10 at 11:22 AM

bmw z3m coupe is already going up in value as not many were made and its a raw drivers car.

jossey - 14/7/10 at 11:23 AM

TVRs i guess would be a safe bet. although after owning a few i notice that they are more useful for keeping an area of the drive drive or the garage full.

maybe the 3 series e30 to add to your list.

dave j

Mad Dave - 14/7/10 at 11:33 AM

What about the RS4 B5?



My 440bhp RS4
My 440bhp RS4


I hope so cause this is mine






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MK9R - 14/7/10 at 11:43 AM

quote:
Originally posted by franky
bmw z3m coupe is already going up in value as not many were made and its a raw drivers car.


my mate bought one 12 months ago fo £11,500, it turned out to be one of the last ones with the e46 m3 engine fitted of only 168 were made, he now has it up for sale fo £17k!!

RS focus
Austen/rover mini??
RS4 - any shape
s1 elise
964 have stopped depreciating, i wonder if the 996 will, doubt it, but maybe a GT3 RS version would be ok

907 - 14/7/10 at 11:44 AM

Ahem!
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Caterham

Ducks for cover

Paul G

David Jenkins - 14/7/10 at 11:51 AM

Naughty....

chrsgrain - 14/7/10 at 11:54 AM

I think that the Sierra Cosworth will be future classic, so a good one now would be worth hanging on to.... Also, strangely enough, possibly a first edition Prius, just because they were the first of a class of car?

Chris

MK9R - 14/7/10 at 11:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by chrsgrain
Also, strangely enough, possibly a first edition Prius, just because they were the first of a class of car?

Chris


does that mean i should go out and buy as many mkI renault espaces as possible??

loggyboy - 14/7/10 at 12:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by chrsgrain
I think that the Sierra Cosworth will be future classic, so a good one now would be worth hanging on to.... Also, strangely enough, possibly a first edition Prius, just because they were the first of a class of car?

Chris


I think the cossie is already there, they are several thousand pounds plus for a 20yr old ford, so must be considered to be a classic already.

Renault Avantime will be a rare one to look out for.

Hot hatches are a safe bet:
Clio v6, xr2(i) mk2 and 3, Nova sport, clio williams, 205 gti.

[Edited on 14/7/10 by loggyboy]

nick205 - 14/7/10 at 12:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MK9R
quote:
Originally posted by chrsgrain
Also, strangely enough, possibly a first edition Prius, just because they were the first of a class of car?

Chris


does that mean i should go out and buy as many mkI renault espaces as possible??



Only if you want us to join you in a TG style 1 make race series

dinosaurjuice - 14/7/10 at 12:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nick205
quote:
Originally posted by MK9R
quote:
Originally posted by chrsgrain
Also, strangely enough, possibly a first edition Prius, just because they were the first of a class of car?

Chris


does that mean i should go out and buy as many mkI renault espaces as possible??



Only if you want us to join you in a TG style 1 make race series


well up for that!

martinq357 - 14/7/10 at 12:06 PM

I know they're very common at the moment, but I'd always thought a nice, original, unmolested Mk1 Audi TT would be a good bet.

They're now falling into the Chav price bracket and I've already seen a couple of howlers.....

Give it 10-15 years and they'll probably be quite sought after.

Just a thought.

Martin.

55ant - 14/7/10 at 12:20 PM

capri is pn the up, a couple of years a go they where cheap as chips, fords are a safe bet really, id go with the first focus rs, loads of parts to keep them going but quite rareish, also the racing puma, still thats about 4.5k minimum.

Id hope the celica gt4 would be as they are silly money for something that does 0-60 in 5.1 standered. as are the mk2 mr2 turbo's.

Stott - 14/7/10 at 12:32 PM

All the ford Cossies are there, you need about £14k to even look at an escort and then they are rough. The saphs seem to start at 4k for a dog but £15k for concourse and the 3 doors are like £25-£30k for a concourse one!

Also the E30 3 dr beemers are already going up - a lot. You could get 318is's for £500 all day and they were tidy, now you see mint ish ones for more like £1500-£2000 and 325 sports are £5k plus. They are todays mk2 escort on the night rally scene (318is - 4cyl rule), going up in popularity and unfortunately price too.

StevieB - 14/7/10 at 12:34 PM

The problem with the cars suggested (Z3, MX5 etc.) is that they sold in sufficient numbers to make them common and they’re well enough build to make sure there's plenty of them around in reasonable order. What you need is something that is rare and also self eliminating - IE they break and rot themselves into being a rarity (hence why a good lancia is worth a reasonable sum). TVR is probably the way to go on that basis.

02GF74 - 14/7/10 at 12:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Lightning
Boxster
SLK??? -they are cheap at the moment
Z3??? -though ugly



Boxster, been looking at autotrader, 6 yr olds going round 15 k so cheap, can't figure out why a similar 911 is 10 k more .... but boxster could well be a classic.

having said that, there is something about today's culture that does not seem to want to keep old cars going, look around you, how many cars over 5 yrs do you see, or over 10 or even 15 years?

Very few, Peeps have got more cash than they did when you were a yoof plus in real terms, I bet cars are lot cheparer too plus they aren't designed for the DIY mechanic like they used to be (were less complicated).

I'd like to think volvo 850 T5 and 850 R will be future classics.

Irony - 14/7/10 at 12:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by StevieB
The problem with the cars suggested (Z3, MX5 etc.) is that they sold in sufficient numbers to make them common and they’re well enough build to make sure there's plenty of them around in reasonable order. What you need is something that is rare and also self eliminating - IE they break and rot themselves into being a rarity (hence why a good lancia is worth a reasonable sum). TVR is probably the way to go on that basis.


I totally agree with the above. You need something that people know and loved when they were younger. So that means quite common, some pedigree and they need to become quite rare. Just look at the mark 1 escort nowadays. Give it 5 years TVR's will go at a snip. Restore them and garage them for 15 years and you'll make cash. I doubt its a way to make cash however......bit like my car

smart51 - 14/7/10 at 01:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Lightning
how many cars over 5 yrs do you see, or over 10 or even 15 years?


Over 5? Loads. Over 10? a few. Over 15? not many. Isn't that "normal"?

I bought a Suzuki Cappuccino last year for £4,000 (it was mint and very low mileage) when Practical Classics were suggesting £3750 for a grade 1 car. This month, they've revised the price down to £3,000. Typical. It has all the ingredients though. Rare, good looking, RWD, quite quick for the time (0-60 in 9 seconds was GTi acceleration in the early 90s) and it is a hard top convertible. Because untreated cars have problems with rust, I'd have thought minters would hold their value well. Still, I've always wanted one and now I've got one.

55ant - 14/7/10 at 01:02 PM

s2000? people seem to crash them a lot,

mazda rx8?

all toyota's with a dodgy accelerator

Lada Niva

corsa c 1.8 sri.

MK9R - 14/7/10 at 01:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 55ant

Lada Niva




http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1675908.htm

scootz - 14/7/10 at 01:15 PM

VW Corrado VR6 Storm
BMW Z3M Coupe
Lotus 340R

franky - 14/7/10 at 01:32 PM

glad we all agree on the z3m coupe! only limited numbers around and on my find the cash to buy list!

Lightning - 14/7/10 at 01:37 PM

Whilst I agree with many of the cars above, I dont think that hardly any of them will make such massive gains. MX5 etc too many. On second thoughts TVR's I think should make only reasonable gains, but at the end of the day they are glorified Kit cars. TVR owners will hate that, but its true.
Esprits should do well as they are quite cheap at the moment.

iank - 14/7/10 at 01:45 PM

"Regular" classic's of the future will probably include.

Lotus Elise, Exige, VX220 maybe the Esprit.
MX5 will be the MGB of a future classic scene.
Smart, definitely the Roadster, maybe the 2 seater shortie.
MINI should make it.
EVO's and Impreza's
BMW M cars (regular 3/5 series I'm not so sure about).
Morgan's
Last of the proper Saab's?

Doubt much that spends any time unloved will survive.

Rod Ends - 14/7/10 at 01:45 PM

some Classified Ads from CCC Dec 1999

Genuine AVO Mk1 RS2000 - £3600
RS 2000 Mk1 - £3250
RS 2000 MK2 - £2600
Pontiac Transam 1980 - £3700
Porsche 911 Targa £8795
Porsche 928S £4000
TVR 350i £8100
Cavalier 4x4 Turbo £9995
Nissan Skyline GTR £26995
Lotus Esprit S1 £7000

iank - 14/7/10 at 01:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MK9R
quote:
Originally posted by 55ant

Lada Niva




http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1675908.htm


That's a Riva, the Niva is their decent 4x4 that has a cult following.
Seems a bit rich for a Riva in puke beige.

Stott - 14/7/10 at 01:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 55ant
s2000? people seem to crash them a lot,

mazda rx8?

all toyota's with a dodgy accelerator

Lada Niva

corsa c 1.8 sri.


Ot but has anyone else noticed the toyota tv ad, makes me chuckle everytime!

Watch at 15s for the blond bird who appears to be fitting throttle pedals, lol lol lol lol

No offence to all the ladies on here of course!

Youtube Link

Lightning - 14/7/10 at 02:43 PM

I am amazed at some of the costs of wrecks on US TV shows. They were shite and still shite now.

Maserati 3500GT are a good price, The soft tops are bound to go up in the future. Unlike the bitubo boxes.

l0rd - 14/7/10 at 03:20 PM

There is only one i can suggest

Renault Spider.

stevebubs - 14/7/10 at 05:12 PM

I think Sierras Coswrths are probably a good bet - a decent one is getting rarer and rarer...

Sapphires used to be dirt cheap compare to the 3 doorts, but prices have held in recent years, and do appear to be edging up

[Edited on 14/7/10 by stevebubs]

scootz - 14/7/10 at 05:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by l0rd
There is only one i can suggest

Renault Spider.


Oooh... interesting!

The Spyder has been stuck at the £15k mark for the past 5 years. Overshadowed by the 340r and not a particularly fast car. However, it's rare, looks like nothing else and is pretty well stuck together!

Jury's out, but good shout...

greggors84 - 14/7/10 at 09:12 PM

Something like a 205 1.9 GTi, quite a few made, but not loads of mint ones left, had a big enough following for people to want one again in a few years time.

They seems to be starting to hold their price.

I had a S1 106 Rallye, bought it for £1400 sold it 3 years later for £1200 to a mate, he then sold it 2 year on for £1200 again.

Stott - 14/7/10 at 09:46 PM

You just reminded me ^^^

The pugs are already of classic status and finding a nice one is tricky for decent money.

In my opinion though, the 172/182 is set to be what the 205 is now. It's as near to the original ethos of that pug than any other road car has been lately, massive engine, light, shiit build quality. It's gonna be loved in years to come.

Just wait until they're cheap enough for the night event boys, than they'll start gettin rare.

172 bhp, xenon lights (forbidden unless std equipment), and lightweight. I know plenty of boys who are watching the prices, ready to tear one down the lanes.

[Edited on 14/7/10 by Stott]

Simon - 14/7/10 at 09:52 PM

Well, I had a 1973 Fiat 500 (which got scrapped); I had a Lancia Fulvia (which got scrapped); I had a 1956 oval window Beetle (which got scrapped), my father had a 21 window VW safari split window bus thingy which we left in Kenya.

I wouldn't ask me for advice on cars you expect to appreciate in value (except perhaps the Rover SD1 Vitesse)

ATB

Simon

morcus - 15/7/10 at 12:35 AM

I agree on the Smart Roadster, I've been thinking of swapping my car and they seem to cost about half what they did two years ago.

I think the real secret though is to buy something that was fairly common and keep it in good order for a long time because of the nostalgia thing, especially hot versions. Mark my words, In 2030, Vectra VXR's and Mondeo ST220's will be changing hands for small fortunes.

Before the Scrapage you could buy a SAAB 9000 or Classic 900 for a couple of hundred quid, by august there were very few on auto trader.

scootz - 15/7/10 at 06:47 AM

I would have said the Smart Coupe over the Roadster... better looking car (IMHO) and was it not made in fewer numbers?

MK9R - 15/7/10 at 06:54 AM

How about a MG ZT 260 or is it 280, the V8 rear wheel drive thingy. Very rare already, prices are still relatively high but i would have thought they will drop a bit more??

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1633154.htm

[Edited on 15/7/10 by MK9R]

Guinness - 15/7/10 at 07:14 AM

quote:
Originally posted by greggors84
I had a S1 106 Rallye, bought it for £1400 sold it 3 years later for £1200 to a mate, he then sold it 2 year on for £1200 again.


I have a Peugeot S1 106XSi, 1.6 Petrol, in Red. Almost completely original and un-molested and owned by me since 1998. At the moment is SORN'd in a mates barn awaiting a mild restoration / refresh.

For some reason it has a line about being a Group N Holmogation car on the Vin Tag?

I'm not hoping to sell / have it as an investment, just keep it long enough to become a useable, fast (ish), modern classic.

Mike

PSpirine - 15/7/10 at 11:02 AM

quote:
Originally posted by MK9R
quote:
Originally posted by franky
bmw z3m coupe is already going up in value as not many were made and its a raw drivers car.


my mate bought one 12 months ago fo £11,500, it turned out to be one of the last ones with the e46 m3 engine fitted of only 168 were made, he now has it up for sale fo £17k!!

RS focus
Austen/rover mini??
RS4 - any shape
s1 elise
964 have stopped depreciating, i wonder if the 996 will, doubt it, but maybe a GT3 RS version would be ok


Would it be gold perchance? Sounds like the one advertised at work for £17.5! Mental money.

greggors84 - 15/7/10 at 11:07 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Guinness
quote:
Originally posted by greggors84
I had a S1 106 Rallye, bought it for £1400 sold it 3 years later for £1200 to a mate, he then sold it 2 year on for £1200 again.


I have a Peugeot S1 106XSi, 1.6 Petrol, in Red. Almost completely original and un-molested and owned by me since 1998. At the moment is SORN'd in a mates barn awaiting a mild restoration / refresh.

For some reason it has a line about being a Group N Holmogation car on the Vin Tag?

I'm not hoping to sell / have it as an investment, just keep it long enough to become a useable, fast (ish), modern classic.

Mike


Im sure the Rallye (which probably shared its shell with the XSi) had some sort of rally homologation. Apparently all the points for the roll cage were already welded in place too.

MK9R - 15/7/10 at 11:08 AM

quote:
Originally posted by PSpirine
quote:
Originally posted by MK9R
quote:
Originally posted by franky
bmw z3m coupe is already going up in value as not many were made and its a raw drivers car.


my mate bought one 12 months ago fo £11,500, it turned out to be one of the last ones with the e46 m3 engine fitted of only 168 were made, he now has it up for sale fo £17k!!

RS focus
Austen/rover mini??
RS4 - any shape
s1 elise
964 have stopped depreciating, i wonder if the 996 will, doubt it, but maybe a GT3 RS version would be ok


Would it be gold perchance? Sounds like the one advertised at work for £17.5! Mental money.


LOL, yes!! It is mint and he had loads of work done on it as it had an engine fault. Its had hours spent on it by various specialists, and everything checked, rechecked and replaced in some cases even including chasing wiring through the loom. Turns out after all this it was a dodgy wire to the lambda!!! The car is now amazing, like new to drive with the added security that there is definetly nothing wrong with it.

The last specialist who worked on it was the one who told him the value of the car and said he would buy it from him at that price, but couldn't at the time due to other commitments.

StevieB - 15/7/10 at 06:20 PM

I think the Smart Roadster will be a future classic, especially since there aren't that many around.

However, they might also be quite a niche thing as well, since they're no really that loved by the general public (hence why it was a short production run).

We used to have a Speedsilver special edition which was basically fully loaded. The model I would go for would be a factory Brabus coupe in silver with as many of the options fitted as possible.

Other future classics in the world of bikes are worth a look too - early R1's in original condition are starting to stabalise in price, just like the first generation Fireblades did before they suddenly got a bit more expensive for a good 'un.

Steve Hignett - 15/7/10 at 06:25 PM

I'm surprised my two haven't been more popular!




scootz - 15/7/10 at 06:30 PM

I wouldn't class them as 'future' classics... I would say that both of them ARE classics.

Stott - 15/7/10 at 07:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by scootz
I wouldn't class them as 'future' classics... I would say that both of them ARE classics.


yep way too late to get a bargain of either of those to hold onto for the future

Steve Hignett - 15/7/10 at 08:55 PM

I knew I was on the border line, but I thought the direction of the thread was heading away from what was a future classic car to what would be worth more in the long run than now, and I believe those two are still at an affordable price and will only go up (IMO) in which case I stand by my opinion!

StevieB - 15/7/10 at 10:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Hignett
I knew I was on the border line, but I thought the direction of the thread was heading away from what was a future classic car to what would be worth more in the long run than now, and I believe those two are still at an affordable price and will only go up (IMO) in which case I stand by my opinion!


If you measured the performance of an ISA against either of those cars over 5 years, I know where my money would be

Steve Hignett - 15/7/10 at 10:10 PM

Maybe, but you can't get an ISA sideways

StevieB - 16/7/10 at 06:59 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Hignett
Maybe, but you can't get an ISA sideways


Actually, I meant I'd be buying the car, not an ISA!

In the current state of things, I'd rather have my money parked in my garage under my own control than trust it to the banks. Get it right and the returns will be much better as well.

Steve Hignett - 16/7/10 at 10:42 PM

I was hoping that I'd got it the wrong way round, but figure I'd look stupider if I assumed that way

beaver34 - 17/7/10 at 09:32 AM

zetec s fiesta, can get one for 1-2k now, hot hatch will go up in price no doubt,

mk1 mx5 too i bet will be worth more soon