Some people seem to have forgotten the true meaning of locost spending thousands on just an engine and then have a go at others for spending, well, not a lot really. Unfortunately some of us are not able to spend as much as we would like so make the best of what we have. C'mon chaps, don't be mean, try and support those that for whatever reason aren't as financially secure as others, things could be so much nicer if some people on here weren't as arrogant as they are. It's locost after all, if you want to brag about how much you have spent then maybe there is a better place for you to be?
I have never noted anything but respect for true locost machines on here.
Engineering ingenuity is what counts! True that cash helps but it's not a substitute!.
Have to say though I have not been aware of any elitism of the threads I follow but I suppose we all follow our own pet subjects and I must have
missed it.
Its all relative realy. Those who cant fabricate but buy and assemble parts see their vehicle as Locost. My 1300 x flow engine was rebuilt from ebay parts bought over a few years. Some will just buy a standard engine or a modified one. I take the point about the original idea of Locost but things have progressed. I KNOW mine is Locost in the strict sense cuz thats all I could afford and I enjoyed the Locost aspect (mine is pure book and all made by me). All things to all people and if a good percentage on here left because of imposed limits this forum wouldnt survive and some of my questions would remain unanswered. Nuf said???!!!
Another vote for 'no idea what you're talking about'. Never really seen any cheque book snobs on here at all. Some healthy cheque books, for sure, but never with any elitism or condescension towards those staying true to the original locost ethos.
mine is not locost in any sence(sp) as i spent a good 3k+ changing the engine but i have full respect for anybody who had built their own car, and any
car built on the same ethos(sp) less is more and more hp and less weight is best
but the main thing is that everybody is building for fun and enjoy what they are doing
Second the no idea what you are talking about. I think its part of differnt peoples opinouns, some say its best to spend the more money on bits like brakes because its talking about safety etc.. Others dont have the skill like some so are forced to buy bits and spend more and vice versa. Its a forum with lots of differnt types of people and thats what is great about it.
everybody to their own , either a pile of metal ,pile of donor bits , set too and make a car , or buy a shiny new kit from a supplier and put it together following the instuctions (mecano) ,you either made the car or assembled it
In my 8 yrs on here I don't recall anything like you seem to describe...quite the opposite! 99.9% on here are here for the shared interest of
car building on whatever budget they're working to, some big, some small, most in the middle.
Now if you want to see some real snobbery/stupidity then spend a little time on Blatchat and Piston Heads. But even there the vast majority are there
to share an interest.
im not building a locost, but parts suppliers have had to pry every single penny I've spent out of my cold hard grip
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Originally posted by nick205
Now if you want to see some real snobbery/stupidity then spend a little time on Blatchat and Piston Heads. But even there the vast majority are there to share an interest.
Not really sure what you mean to be honest ?
Can't say i've seen a thread where anybody has boasted about how much they've spent etc
Everybody's creation has its own merits and it Doesn't really matter what its cost, aslong as they are happy and enjoy driving it
Is this is a wind up ?
We live in modern times......
You have to bare in mind that the original claim of a locost for Ģ250 was at least missing a zero even to get the most basic of basic cars on the
road.
I've never seen any criticism for budget cars on this forum. One of the nice things on this site compared to many other car sites is that there
is acceptance that people want different things and its not just all about showing off.
Anyone who has the skills or willingness to learn to make things by themselves are always encouraged to do so, usually with heaps of advice.
I can think of several garbage car forums that their sole purpose is to mock and put down anyone who works on a tight budget or has a go themselves,
usually from talentless idiots who think its all about throwing cash at their cars to impress. Personally I have nil respect or time for such
wasters.
Just to stick my two cents in, would this be about the mini powered tandem seat vehicle that appeared on here earlier today?
I thought it was a good effort, and built from the remains of something headed for the scrap heap.
As someone who is currently broke (And without a place to build) I've yet to get started on my dream of building a car, but I've seen very few incidents of snobbery during my time here. If anything, the truest locosters (The do everything themselves guys) seem to be held in the highest esteem and it seems are looked upto by the guys that can't do everything. If there is Elitism here its not financial or class based, but skill based.
I think you do have a point as a lot less (including me!) are building a chassis from scratch, and not that many are using a single donner,
re-furbishing the parts them self's ect, but I don't think there is a stigma attached to spending or not..
Having said this it may just appear this way as most are on the road now! The site has got to the point where it's also a lot more about
driving, club events etc 
Dan
Speaking for myself - I'm going the kit route as I can't weld and if I learnt I'd still consider myself to noob to dare try welding a
chassis.
But as a few others have said, that apart I'm trying to stick to the locost ethos - single donor, refurb my own parts, selll on everything I
don't need etc etc - the ultimate in recycling which is one of the things that drew me to this forum in the first place.
I also agree with a few others - it's the scratch built people on here that are your "go to" people. They've been there, done
that with a whole load more skills than I've got. But best of all from my experience these people don't mind sharing their knowledge and
are really helpful no matter how numpty the question - an even bigger draw to this forum.
I've a lot of respect for anyone who's built their own car. I also have a lot of respect for people who don't necessarily know that
much about cars but still have a go with a kit for the learning experience. I dont' think any kit - even a Cateringvan is necessarily meccano
although I suppose it depends on where your starting from skills wise.
A case of time, money, skill - choose any two for a good car ? Hmmm - time I have...
i agree with the "not sure what you're on about" theme as if you want to see snobbery then find a Cateringvan driver and tell him you
own a seven. Look how many sighted postings there on here. Som weeks it sounds like a lonely hearts site (cue music and lights dimming)
This is a site where money or skill really doesn't matter as we're all building different machines with different skills and diferent
budgets. There are lots of 'no budget' and 'huge budget' builders and neither should hang their heads in shame.
my penny's worth
Steve
Nah... can't agree with you there! Don't think I've ever seen an 'arrogant' post on here along the lines you mention.
As for the 'locost' philosophy... it's all relative! I would consider that 'bang for buck' some of the more expensive motors
on here can still definitely be classed as 'locost'!
I've seen examples (even as recent as yesterday) when people are asking genuine questions about cars as toys that can cost over 10k, over 20k and
even for Ģ30k. Now that seems to me that these people probably worked hard to get where they've got or are very lucky and have well paid
partners.
Either way, the point of them asking here rather than on blatchat/PH etc is that they value people's (well most judging for the OP) opinions
about what we would do. That says a lot more to me about the knowledge and nature of this forum than this thread................. 
Of course if there has been examples of true bitchery and myself and all above have missed it, then I take it back!
It makes me sick too - how dare anyone spend more than Ģ 250.
Spending thousands on fancy cams or alloy uprights is not in the true spirit, these people should be taken to Doncaster, stripped, have blue silicone
hoses shoved up their rear and slapped across the face with Rons book.
Cheque book locosters GO HOME!
Years ago we discussed the 'Locost Unit'. It takes a minumim uf 5000 LU's to finish a basic car.
A LU is either a pound or an hours labour. If you finish the car for Ģ1000, then you would have to spend 4000 hours to do that!Or spend Ģ4000 and take
1000 hours.
Personally, I spent 1500 hours and Ģ2250, but that was 5 years ago.
Still does not account for making stuff ugly....
http://youtu.be/n3qqjYWc9IE
[Edited on 21-8-10 by mangogrooveworkshop]
Well....I bought mine brand new from MNR.
Cost me a bit, thatīs right.
And to me itīs only a toy. Trackdaytoy. Have only driven 10 miles on the road.
But I still make the car better every day.
Such as better cooling, intake, mirrors, tyres, setup (!), seats, etc.
Mine is NOT a locost. Itīs over 20000 Ģ plus trailer and a VW T4 to tow it with.
And nobody but me comes even near the car.
And now I canīt participate on here anymore ?
Soren S2
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Originally posted by sorens2
Well....I bought mine brand new from MNR.
Cost me a bit, thatīs right.
And to me itīs only a toy. Trackdaytoy. Have only driven 10 miles on the road.
But I still make the car better every day.
Such as better cooling, intake, mirrors, tyres, setup (!), seats, etc.
Mine is NOT a locost. Itīs over 20000 Ģ plus trailer and a VW T4 to tow it with.
And nobody but me comes even near the car.
And now I canīt participate on here anymore ?
Soren S2
quote:
Either way, the point of them asking here rather than on blatchat/PH etc is that they value people's (well most judging for the OP) opinions about what we would do. That says a lot more to me about the knowledge and nature of this forum than this thread.................
I Agree......unfortunatly I have neither the time or expertise to build a Locost from scratch..So what's the alternative either don't have one or buy something like an MK kit? I value the opinions of all the posts I have seen and posted myself. So alothough my kit may cost more than perhaps you consider to be of value, to me it's a necessary evil to get something that I want to enjoy!!!
Pete.
StrikerChris - 21/8/10 at 01:01 PMWell mine cost about twice my initial budget and not far off 30 times what the book that inspired me said it would,even so I'm proud of my car and confident I couldn't of made,begged or stolen any more of the car than I did!I also appreciate every self built car I see even if I don't actually like them.then again I also appreciate it when I see a rich guy who's fortunate to have enough coin to blow 100k plus on a ferrari or the likes and had the balls to spend it!
ali f27 - 21/8/10 at 01:30 PMThe way i see it we all have the same gene and breath petrol good luck to us all