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TPG - 18/12/10 at 10:13 PM

So,When is Diesel and Petrol going to be affordable again? Is there going to be new "mortages" or other "money products" made avalible to us all?
...............Just to restart a well covered subject again.Oh,if I was a conspiracy theroist i'd say it was a plan by "the man".....(looks over shoulder) just remember,most of its duty.The various companies involved in getting it to the pumps aren't making as much as the goverment out of it.I know 'barrell prices are up.I've been one of the lucky ones to get a heating fuel delivery (BIG Thankyou Kettlewell Fuels.No thanks to Tates Fuels...)

matt_gsxr - 18/12/10 at 10:36 PM

The only way to avoid crazy fuel prices is to get a bicycle,

High fuel prices are needed to keep BP profits going (after the transoil/Obama fiasco), which are needed to keep the UK economy credible.

You won't see the government calling in any watchdogs on this one.

Matt

mad4x4 - 18/12/10 at 10:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by matt_gsxr
The only way to avoid crazy fuel prices is to get a bicycle,

High fuel prices are needed to keep BP profits going (after the transoil/Obama fiasco), which are needed to keep the UK economy credible.

You won't see the government calling in any watchdogs on this one.

Matt



BS - High Prices are DUE to the GOVERNEMENT's Tax and Duty policy's. Gordon Brown / Alister Darling and the New Prick all can;t afford to cut fuel duty because they make so much revenue for it.

norfolkluego - 18/12/10 at 10:59 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
quote:
Originally posted by matt_gsxr
The only way to avoid crazy fuel prices is to get a bicycle,

High fuel prices are needed to keep BP profits going (after the transoil/Obama fiasco), which are needed to keep the UK economy credible.

You won't see the government calling in any watchdogs on this one.

Matt



BS - High Prices are DUE to the GOVERNEMENT's Tax and Duty policy's. Gordon Brown / Alister Darling and the New Prick all can;t afford to cut fuel duty because they make so much revenue for it.


+ 1 to that, it's the Government ripping us off over fuel prices not the oil companies

loggyboy - 18/12/10 at 11:03 PM

If you want it, you have to pay for it.
Simples.

I want a ferrari, but they are too expensive.

Chippy - 18/12/10 at 11:14 PM

Booze, fags and fuel = the best return to our government, and that includes ALL colours of parties. It's called milking the public till it hurts. Grrrrrrrrr! Ray

MikeR - 18/12/10 at 11:32 PM

but until we reduce the amount of money needed by the gov to run the country ........ what else can we do? the money has to come from somewhere.

Ninehigh - 18/12/10 at 11:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
If you want it, you have to pay for it.
Simples.

I want a ferrari, but they are too expensive.


True, you want to get to work, or have things in shops, or something delivered to you you have to pay for it.

The price of fuel dictates the price of everything that moves you know. If diesel was 1p per litre the cost of food, bus, post, taxi, cars, pretty much everything would drop (well, technically)

No it's not going down, and it wouldn't surprise me to find they're stopping proper alternatives coming out

Canada EH! - 19/12/10 at 01:17 AM

I think you may find like every were else in the world the price of fuel goes up when the worth of the country goes down.
Case in point, when i started buying parts for my Locost the pound was $2.25 to the Canadian dollar, it is now $1.50 to the Canadian dollar.
Fuel is calculate on the world price set by Texas Light Crude, the Canadian doller is near par with the US, but we pay more than those 100 miles south in the US.

Ninehigh - 19/12/10 at 04:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Canada EH!
I think you may find like every were else in the world the price of fuel goes up when the worth of the country goes down.


Well if that's the case it's soon going to be £35 a litre cos this country ain't worth sh!t

(kinda joking )

morcus - 19/12/10 at 07:40 AM

Granted the government needs to raise revenue but the fact remains, they charge VAT on Fuel duty, and Tobacco Duty, and Alcohol Duty and that isn't right. VAT is meant to be a luxury tax, you can argue that fuel is a luxury but fuel duty isn't. I don't pay VAT on my council tax, or my income tax.

From what I read on here the other day I don't think it's the government thats holding back alternative fuels, it's car buyers.

richardh - 19/12/10 at 09:21 AM

i can't see prices ever coming back down to sub £1 per litre. No matter what the state of this pitifully run country. Rich or poor, the government will always have the mentality of "well the people have got used to it so we will just keep it as is"

Bloody conservatives of old started the fuel duty in the first place then new labour "cough" and brown used it as a cash boost.

and all this talk of electric power is total pish right now. until someone makes it more efficient and cheaper etc then what are the alternatives?
all in my limited knowledge humble opinion of course.

Paul TigerB6 - 19/12/10 at 09:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by morcus
VAT is meant to be a luxury tax, you can argue that fuel is a luxury but fuel duty isn't. I don't pay VAT on my council tax, or my income tax.



Shhhhhhh - you'll be giving them ideas!!

02GF74 - 19/12/10 at 11:34 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
quote:
Originally posted by morcus
VAT is meant to be a luxury tax, you can argue that fuel is a luxury but fuel duty isn't. I don't pay VAT on my council tax, or my income tax.



Shhhhhhh - you'll be giving them ideas!!



just what I was going to say.

domestic fuel e.g. gas was Vat free adn I think books were, not now they are not and not for some time.

bottom line is I have a choice boot to drink or smoke. With driving I too have a choice but it is more convenient than any other means of transport.

On a similar not, ther was much whingeing about rising fuel costs earlier this year - has anyone's driving habbit changed since then? for example use alternative transport, locate closer to work or buy a lower fuel consuming car?

For me, nothing really I can think.

sonic - 19/12/10 at 12:17 PM

At what point does it become to expensive to go to work!

Wages are stagnent or being reduced,jobs are fewer and more people on the dole.

Alot of people are in minimun wage jobs as there is nothing else and the employers know it.

To alot of people there car is there only bit of luxury,don't smoke or drink etc and takes them for the odd day out with the kids for a brake or treat.

Before long you will start to see people saying sod it i will stay at home all day and sign on because after i have payed for everything i only have x£££ a week left and i am working 50 hours aweek just to give it back to the goverment.

If at the end of the week/month when you get your pay packet you cannot afford a little bit of R and R pleasure why bother

interestedparty - 19/12/10 at 12:58 PM

are people going to put the subject in the thread title?

woodster - 19/12/10 at 06:16 PM

Collectively as a people we have no balls, we don't stand together anymore and say enough is enough, all we do is whimper and moan .... Unlike the French who would go on general strike and have a bloody good riot .... I've said this before, how much does petrol have to cost to get you to protest .... Someone will be along in a moment to tell me protesting doesn't work, how would we know we've never really tried it ...... At least the students can be bothered to travel to London.

prawnabie - 19/12/10 at 07:10 PM

will I, Will I be faaaaaamous

Ninehigh - 19/12/10 at 07:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by sonic
To alot of people there car is there only bit of luxury,don't smoke or drink etc and takes them for the odd day out with the kids for a brake or treat.

If at the end of the week/month when you get your pay packet you cannot afford a little bit of R and R pleasure why bother


Exactly, the fact that I don't walk the couple of miles to work, or stand outside for F knows how long is my luxury item...

Why do I bother? Mortgage... If we rented I'd be out of pocket working

Ninehigh - 6/1/11 at 10:40 PM

Finally found it again!

http://www.causes.com/causes/434764-keep-fuel-below-1-00-per-litre/members?m=9e092859

Think you might need facebook for it, but membership of something like this should be about 40 million not 200k!

zilspeed - 6/1/11 at 11:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by richardh
i can't see prices ever coming back down to sub £1 per litre. .



I'm still paying 90p a litre.

From a place right here

The link above doesn't work, right ?

Ninehigh - 6/1/11 at 11:21 PM

Hamilton, South Lanarkshire...

dlatch - 7/1/11 at 12:42 AM

the fuel duty rise petrol/diesel/gas are also responsible for at least 1% rise in inflation

no wonder after a 25% rise in pump prices in such a short time

Ninehigh - 7/1/11 at 01:18 AM

Exactly, now it's gone up 2.5%, so does getting to work
And food
and electricity
and anything that involves anything that moves


Join the revolution! (I'm not even screwing around either)

David Jenkins - 7/1/11 at 08:23 AM

It's hard to cut your expenditure when you work 45 miles from home - I either go most of my journey by train (but they've just raised prices by 6% this month) or drive.

I opted for Plan B - I handed in my notice and found myself a job that's 5 miles from home! I start on Monday...

scootz - 7/1/11 at 09:17 AM

I think that as with anything that's 'running-out', the price can only go up!

nick205 - 7/1/11 at 10:27 AM

quote:
Originally posted by prawnabie
will I, Will I be faaaaaamous



LOL - took me a while to get that, but very amusing (my sister was a fan by the way, not me)

nick205 - 7/1/11 at 10:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74

On a similar not, ther was much whingeing about rising fuel costs earlier this year - has anyone's driving habbit changed since then? for example use alternative transport, locate closer to work or buy a lower fuel consuming car?

For me, nothing really I can think.



Each time the price goes up I persuade myself to maximise MPG at all times, but ehn after a few weeks I revert to normal driving habits and MPG. As a family, we have started factoring in fuel costs for longer journeys to visit friends and relatives - we still go, but if the fuel price rises too much further we will start curbing these journeys for sure.

Longer term I'm switching from a large 2.0 (157g CO2) diesel estate to a mid-size 1.6 (99g CO2) diesel estate with start/stop technology. This is a company vehicle so the choice here is driven by both fuel economy and the governments year on year increase in Benefit in Kind tax on co cars based on emissions. However with rising fuel prices, no pay increases for 2 years and counting this switch won't even see me standing still, it just minimses the overall increase in living expense.

IMHO fuel and VAT increases are permamnent, no government will ever want to (or likely be in a position to) decrease them.

Also IMHO, the current government would have slashed away at public spending no matter what state the country had been in - that's what the Conservatives do! (I'm not a Labour fan either BTW).

interestedparty - 7/1/11 at 01:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
It's hard to cut your expenditure when you work 45 miles from home - I either go most of my journey by train (but they've just raised prices by 6% this month) or drive.

I opted for Plan B - I handed in my notice and found myself a job that's 5 miles from home! I start on Monday...



I think there are a lot of people who will start thinking along these lines. The amount of fuel that is used in this country to take people from where they live to where they work must be absolutely gargantuan.

The Shootist - 7/1/11 at 03:30 PM

With restrictions on drilling and exploration, we put less oil in the market, and that drives supplies down and prices up.

Mr. O wants to push alternative sources but in reality most of those fuels are actually made from petro.

Food prices are through the roof because of ethanol additive requirements, and cars are falling apart left and right with side effects of it's usage.

Simon - 7/1/11 at 05:04 PM

Don't know what you're worrying about - we just ordered a ton of bronze. Around November it was £5k/tonne, we just paid £8k/tonne and two years ago it was £2k/tonne.

ATB

Simon

Ninehigh - 7/1/11 at 05:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nick205
Longer term I'm switching from a large 2.0 (157g CO2) diesel estate to a mid-size 1.6 (99g CO2) diesel estate with start/stop technology. This is a company vehicle so the choice here is driven by both fuel economy and the governments year on year increase in Benefit in Kind tax on co cars based on emissions. However with rising fuel prices, no pay increases for 2 years and counting this switch won't even see me standing still, it just minimses the overall increase in living expense.


Exactly, we've looked into this and found there's little point is us selling the car we've payed for and getting a smaller one as the finance would outweigh the drop in consumption. It would have to make a major difference to be worth it...

Moorron - 7/1/11 at 05:57 PM

got to agree with the guy who said about getting a job closer to home. Ive never wanted to travel far to work even if it means a great wage. With so many hobbies or just being lazy i couldnt handle sitting in a car for an hour each way. I see this as an extension of the working day making it a 10 hour shift each day.

I have been lucky that my last job of 12 years was only 8 miles from home which meant i could afford to drive a V8 RR @ 15 mpg!. Still hurt when driving to other places but now im out of work i want to reduce this even more and am looking at ANY job in the estate 3 miles from home so i can walk or cycle there saving even more money and time. Funny thing is at the place mentioned above a guy who drove like ms daisy in a small new civic deisle from over 30 miles away ended up paying the same in fuel costs as me lol.

I feel that its hitting home now to alot more people that we are being ripped off so want an easy, cheap, stress free job round the block. The job market will suffer long term as people with great skills only want to stack shelves and so on. ATM this is only good for those with little debt but i feel the greed that ran most poeples lives will reduce. It has for me for some time and i only want a simple life now, not a rich busy working one.

I have just had a talk with my partner who is a self imployed mobile hairstylist, ive told her she must put her prices up to cover the fuel and vat increases but she is reluctant incase she annoys anyone. Well i showed her how much she is now loosing a year and she soon changed her mind. If she doesnt that loss is going in someone elses pocket who doesnt deserve it (the gov).

Do everything to pass the cost on to anyone else you can is my new motto.

Ninehigh - 7/1/11 at 06:44 PM

Hitch is unless it's passed on to those that control the prices (the "government" then it's just hurting those that can't do anything about it...