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Can't Get in my Car!
scootz - 22/2/11 at 01:40 PM

Damn, blast and a more than just a little tarnation!

My backs bendability has lessened to the point that it's now virtually impossible for me to get in out of the Procomp The roll-cage is going to have to come off! Bit of a shame as i like the 'shape' of the car with the cage on.


RazMan - 22/2/11 at 01:47 PM

I had the same problem a few years back! I went to my Chiropractor who got me into several different positions (a half nelson was included I think ) and after a few yelps from me I was able to walk again AND get into my car!


blakep82 - 22/2/11 at 02:10 PM

you'll have to see it for a thrid of the price you paid
sorry, its not funny i know. i tak eit by the sound of taking the cage off, its not a case of loosening up a before you can fit in again?


flak monkey - 22/2/11 at 02:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
I had the same problem a few years back! I went to my Chiropractor who got me into several different positions (a half nelson was included I think ) and after a few yelps from me I was able to walk again AND get into my car!


Please, please see a physio not a chiropractor....

A physio will be able to tailor a range of excercises for you which will benefit you longer term and you'll not have to pay the repeat visit bills to the chiropractor.


scootz - 22/2/11 at 02:34 PM

LOL... don't worry about the medical side of things chaps - the best in the various medical businesses have looked at it for years now and they've all concluded that it's proper knacked. It's all about the pain management now and just dealing with flare-ups as they happen.

Anyway... the car! I've said it before - I bought into the Seven style design because I could just step-into them, slide down and get comfy in my wee cocoon. Getting out was just a reversal of the same process!

I did anticipate that the cage would have to come off it at some time, but not this soon

It's made up my mind though - I'm going for the complete refresh... would be pointless not to! So let the strippage commence (and no - there will be no sale to follow! All components will be re-fitted!).

PS - Just my tuppence on the whole Chiropractor 'thing'... I've seen lots of Doctors, Misters and Professors, and each of them have told me to stay away from Chiropractors as they will only irritate my condition. I'm sticking to their advice!


mcerd1 - 22/2/11 at 02:43 PM

look back through the old posts about scotts back - I don't think any physios or chiropractors are going to help
[edit - too late]



I take it the cage is bolted on - do you have a normal roll bar to swap it over ?

[Edited on 22/2/2011 by mcerd1]


Richard Quinn - 22/2/11 at 02:45 PM

I think, given previous threads that have included some of his medical info, Scootz is more than aware of the options available to him and no amount of manipulation is going to get him to bend to get in through the cage.

Scootz - have you tried going in and out through the "roof"? Quite a common approach amongst the racers. Hoik yourself up onto the side roof bar then transfer your *rse to the rear bar whilst swinging your legs over the side bar. Lower your legs into the cockpit and lower your torso using your arms on the top of the cage to lower you. Getting out is the reverse. Use the cage to pull yourself up, *rse on rear bar, swing legs over side of cage and lower yourself using the side roof bar. It's not the easiest thing to thing to describe in words. Much easier if you can get someone to show you.

Ooops. Too late again!

[Edited on 22/2/11 by Richard Quinn]


flak monkey - 22/2/11 at 03:23 PM

My comment wasnt to Scott, I know well enough about his condition. It was targeted at Mike hence quoting his post!


eddie99 - 22/2/11 at 03:55 PM

Yeah as above, try getting in from the top... Then you just slide down...


scootz - 22/2/11 at 04:11 PM

Unfortunately it's a welded cage, so my favourite tool is in for some abuse!

I've just tried using the *rse-through-roof method. I actually found the side bars quite helpful to lift myself up on.

I'll ponder it some more!


mcerd1 - 22/2/11 at 04:12 PM

get some one to lower you in with your engine crane

but seriously - would fitting a slightly higher rollcage give you the space to get in and out ? (i.e. remake it with a few extra inches in the height)
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
My comment wasnt to Scott, I know well enough about his condition. It was targeted at Mike hence quoting his post!

mine wasn't targeted at yours......
(this could go on forever.....)


[Edited on 22/2/2011 by mcerd1]


mangogrooveworkshop - 22/2/11 at 04:16 PM

And let the bidding begin .......do I hear fifty peeee..........wun pound
two pounds


flak monkey - 22/2/11 at 04:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1


quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
My comment wasnt to Scott, I know well enough about his condition. It was targeted at Mike hence quoting his post!

mine wasn't targeted at yours......
(this could go on forever.....)





JacksAvon - 22/2/11 at 04:17 PM

unable to race some years ago, due to caged car access. I went to see a physio.

Who gave me specific exersizes using the cage to loosen my back, worked a treat

Very nice lady


scootz - 22/2/11 at 04:18 PM

Keep counting Mango! I'll tell you when to stop!


blakep82 - 22/2/11 at 04:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JacksAvon
unable to race some years ago, due to caged car access. I went to see a physio.

Who gave me specific exersizes using the cage to loosen my back, worked a treat

Very nice lady


see above


02GF74 - 22/2/11 at 04:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
get some one to lower you in with your engine crane





not that daft an idea - there was chappy at Stoneleigh on the MK owners club area in wheel chair that had adapted what looked like to me an engine hoist to lower himself into his car and had, from memory, boltable cage bits. (search the forumnae as I'm sure this has been discussed before)

until you quit them pies, you can get a mate to follow you around in this:


[Edited on 22/2/11 by 02GF74]


JacksAvon - 22/2/11 at 05:58 PM

If yours is the green car above?

Fit another bar to the cage from the centre of the front roll bar to the centre of the rear.
Stand on the sill, swing over the side roll bar, stand on seat, lower self down holding onto left hand roll bar and new central bar.
A removeable streeing wheel would also help.

Shame to chop up a cage and reduce some structural rigidity


mcerd1 - 22/2/11 at 06:11 PM

or how about a marlin style rollcage: linky

quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Keep counting Mango! I'll tell you when to stop!
LOL



btw - what are you doing to that cam cover of yours ?

[Edited on 22/2/2011 by mcerd1]


scootz - 22/2/11 at 06:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
btw - what are you doing to that cam cover of yours ?



Guess you've been in to see Sid then!?

I'm having the lip milled off to square it off... going to gamble and run without the belt cover.


scootz - 22/2/11 at 06:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
Or how about a marlin style rollcage: linky



I like that...


Steve Hignett - 22/2/11 at 06:51 PM

A Caged cage designed for Caterhams from years ago. Just drop the outside bar...

take note of the "Skateboard Grip Tape" on the side impact bar...




[Edited on 22/2/11 by Steve Hignett]


scootz - 22/2/11 at 07:02 PM

Cheers Steve... but you've seen the size of me - I'd never get through the D-shape!

Using a side-impact bar as a 'step' seems a pretty good Idea though... that coupled with a straight bar running lengthways might be the answer!


Steve Hignett - 22/2/11 at 07:03 PM

When I said ditch the outside bar, that was just so that you could climb in with ease. At the end of the day, you want it for safety rather than competition at this stage (?) so you could leave the Pax side standard, but fit a wider longitudunal top bar, like Matt's current Procomp cars have. Only you could make it a fair bit wider to get your 28" waist through the gap


Steve Hignett - 22/2/11 at 07:04 PM

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAAA

I honestly typed your waist size in the above post BEFORE your last post


scootz - 22/2/11 at 07:07 PM



I spoke to Matt today... think it might be easier for me to send the chassis back down the road for a refresh. Only problem is that I'm £400 down before I even start due to the fuel costs of two return trips to Brum with a Landy and trailer!


Steve Hignett - 22/2/11 at 07:10 PM

How about something simple like this:


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scootz - 22/2/11 at 07:23 PM

What's your thoughts on the 'D' shape option minus the straight edges Steve... similar to the Marlin that Mcmerd thought of? Would that design retain a reasonable amount of rigidity / protection? Doesn't have to meet any regulations... road use only.



[Edited on 22/2/11 by scootz]


mcerd1 - 22/2/11 at 08:20 PM

quote:
Originally posted by scootz
What's your thoughts on the 'D' shape option minus the straight edges Steve... similar to the Marlin that Mcmerd thought of? Would that design retain a reasonable amount of rigidity / protection? Doesn't have to meet any regulations... road use only.

it won't add as much rigidity to the chassis without the side rails - but it should still have a decent amount of strength in the rollcage itself

I'm liking the idea of the marlin style to with the side impact bars aswell (complete with the grip tape)


quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
btw - what are you doing to that cam cover of yours ?



Guess you've been in to see Sid then!?

I'm having the lip milled off to square it off... going to gamble and run without the belt cover.

yeah I was round at his workshop earlier (not spending any money though, just helping him out with a couple of his little projects )
spied the redtop cam cover and though to myself "I bet thats scott's......"
he tells me a certain mr Widz is going for yet more upgrades aswell

[Edited on 22/2/2011 by mcerd1]


scootz - 22/2/11 at 08:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
He tells me a certain mr Widz is going for yet more upgrades aswell


Woody's in talks with Torness power station to see if they'll sell him a reactor to power his Busa!


mcerd1 - 22/2/11 at 09:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
He tells me a certain mr Widz is going for yet more upgrades aswell


Woody's in talks with Torness power station to see if they'll sell him a reactor to power his Busa!

He'd better just get two of them - just incase one isn't enough for him


[Edited on 22/2/2011 by mcerd1]


RazMan - 22/2/11 at 11:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by scootz
PS - Just my tuppence on the whole Chiropractor 'thing'... I've seen lots of Doctors, Misters and Professors, and each of them have told me to stay away from Chiropractors as they will only irritate my condition. I'm sticking to their advice!


Exactly what I was told by various 'experts' in various fields. As a result I spent years being pulled about by physios, doing all sorts of exercises religiously but all to no effect. 'Pain management is the only answer' I was told so I was given huge doses of super strong painkillers which I became addicted to and they really messed my head up. I was offered an epidural at one point and had hundreds of acupuncture sessions to relieve the pain. I couldn't work, drive or even function as a human being for two years! I was starting to look at wheelchairs as my only means of transport

Eventually I found a superb chiropractor who examined my MRI scans (3 ruptured discs, spondylosis and other stuff done in a paragliding accident) and set about correcting it over the next 3 months. He also advised me to lose some weight which helped enormously (2 stone) and some basic exercises to keep things on track.

As a result of my chiro, I am now able to work in a very physical job (telephone engineer now) and as long as I see him every month or so I am back to being human again.