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Jon Ison - 24/1/14 at 04:33 PM

Cut a long storey short, young employee at work recently, (last weekend) purchased a second hand Astra diesel.

After 1st day kept going into limp mode, they blamed speed sensor.

Said it was cured but anything over 65 it continued to go into limp mode, after messing with abs he then had two days of abs light not going off.

Just called me after fetching car back "all sorted" to tell me abs light is not coming on at all, I had warned him when he collects it to make sure it comes on then goes off when he turns key, if I was a betting man then it's a safe bet I think to assume the bulb as dissapeard.

Am I correct in thinking this is now part of the mot, check light comes on and goes off after a set time? What is the amount time for a Astra abs light to go out? What advice should I give, I've told him not to touch the dashboard to go looking if the light as been removed but what should he do? CBA ? Trading standards ?


mcerd1 - 24/1/14 at 04:44 PM

Method of Inspection:

1.
If the vehicle is fitted with an ABS and/or ESC system, check that the relevant warning lamp(s):
a.
is fitted

b.
illuminates

c.
does not indicate a fault

d.
in the case of ABS only, follows the correct sequence of operation.

Note: The sequence varies with the type of system. Refer to VSI, manufacturers or other reliable data, e.g. purpose produced charts, books, etc


2.
Check the presence and condition of all visible ABS and ESC system components.


Reason for rejection:
1.
A warning lamp:
a.
is missing

b.
does not illuminate

c.
indicates a fault

d.
for ABS does not follow the correct sequence of operation.

2.
An ABS or ESC system component obviously missing or excessively damaged.


Jon Ison - 24/1/14 at 05:13 PM

It transpires they have simply unplugged the abs unit under the bonnet, what's his next move ?


daveb666 - 24/1/14 at 05:18 PM

Garage or private sale?

Assuming a garage then Sale of Goods Act, return the vehicle and ask for a refund as they have had ample opportunity to resolve the problem.


stevebubs - 24/1/14 at 05:19 PM

Did he purchase from a dealer/garage or private? If so, do they advertise they belong to any trade associations/standards?


[Edited on 24/1/14 by stevebubs]


Simon - 24/1/14 at 05:21 PM

Trading Standards.
Wouldn't even bother with trying any other route. Also VOSA perhaps
Mention it to retailer though as they may be interested.

ATB

Simon


Jon Ison - 24/1/14 at 05:48 PM

Trader, he's taking it back tomorrow in xchange for a full refund.


carpmart - 24/1/14 at 06:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
Trader, he's taking it back tomorrow in xchange for a full refund.


Good and the minimum he should expect!


CRAIGR - 24/1/14 at 06:06 PM

Name and shame !!


nick205 - 24/1/14 at 06:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CRAIGR
Name and shame !!


Ditto, they will do the same again and someone less able or informed will get shafted.


Jon Ison - 24/1/14 at 06:54 PM

Once he has cash in hand happily name & shame.


jossey - 24/1/14 at 07:10 PM

If they was clever they would solder the abs light to the engine management light so it came on briefly.

He needs to contact trading standards and gather evidence of what they may have done.


David


coyoteboy - 24/1/14 at 07:14 PM

quote:

"If they was clever they would solder the abs light to the engine management light so it came on briefly."



Some might say clever, others might say provably involved in potentially lethal practice. Anyone doing such a thing and selling a car on without the new owner knowing should have the book thrown at them.


Davey D - 24/1/14 at 08:52 PM

Rouge trader... Did he have bad sun burn, or just red from embarrassment?


David Jenkins - 24/1/14 at 10:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Davey D
Rouge trader... Did he have bad sun burn, or just red from embarrassment?


Make-up...


balidey - 25/1/14 at 09:38 AM

May be worth his while writing a little note about the problems, slip it in the glove box or service book (if one exists) or behind sun visor so hopefully a future buyer is made aware of the same ongoing problems.


carpmart - 25/1/14 at 04:26 PM

So, what happened then?


Jon Ison - 25/1/14 at 05:57 PM

This is the car back up for sale already, he rejected the car and received a full refund earlier today. The ABS plug was pulled under the bonnet.


bob - 25/1/14 at 06:14 PM

Oh ok i have said it now, oh and they are in Chesterfield.

[Edited on 25/1/14 by bob]


steve m - 25/1/14 at 06:49 PM

But will it have another owner on the log book ?


INDY BIRD - 25/1/14 at 07:05 PM

Blimey it's he most expensive car on his forecourt aswell,

dangerous and should not be a trader selling cars like that could put someone's life in danger,

Name shame and tell fading stds about the sale before some poor person buys crap from him,

Glad you got it resolved though


Jon Ison - 25/1/14 at 07:47 PM

Not good reading


carpmart - 25/1/14 at 08:03 PM

A happy bunch of customers they have got there then!


Slimy38 - 25/1/14 at 09:02 PM

While internet reviews tend to be more biased towards the bad, there are some dangerous cars being sold there.