Tintop - Brakes (Clio 2)
mcerd1 - 9/6/15 at 12:51 PM
Its time to service my other halfs tin-top again and it really needs some new brake shoes
Problem is its a mk2 Clio (05 plate) and for some unknown reason Renault decided to change suppliers every 5min 
I'm fairly sure its listed as the 44kW version of the 1.2 engine (60ps, 8v) and its got ABS, but that doesn't narrow it down much...
so after searching through the catalogues I've narrowed it down to 2 choices of shoes - one Lucas type and one Bosch type - both using exactly
the same drum dimensions....
http://www.brakebook.com/bb/mintex/en_GB/MFR400_70/datasheet.xhtml
http://www.brakebook.com/bb/mintex/en_GB/MFR536_70/datasheet.xhtml
We can't really afford to have it off the road for any length of time and don't have time to mess about with it - so does anyone know a way
of working out which type its got without taking the drum off so I can get the parts ordered ?
I'd happily bin the whole car, but it would cost money to replace it 
and at the moment there isn't really anything wrong with it, well apart from it being a Clio that is....
[Edited on 9/6/2015 by mcerd1]
prawnabie - 9/6/15 at 12:59 PM
There are actually 3 types, Bosch, Lucas TRW and Lucas Girling! You can usually tell by looking at where the wheel cylinder exits the back plate and
noting down where the pipe a bleed nipple are situated. If you then look at a brake hydraulics book you should be able to work out what system you
have. Other than then you could pull the drum and sometimes it is stamped on the metalwork of one of the shoes.
Shaun
mcerd1 - 9/6/15 at 01:33 PM
quote:
Originally posted by prawnabie
There are actually 3 types, Bosch, Lucas TRW and Lucas Girling!
well that could explain why there are so many different kits with different wheel cylinders then....
got any pic's of the backs of each wheels cylinder type, I've been googling, but keep getting contradictory info
ian locostzx9rc2 - 9/6/15 at 07:11 PM
Cannt you just get all the options from your local motor factors and send the others back that you don't use .
mcerd1 - 9/6/15 at 09:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ian locostzx9rc2
Cannt you just get all the options from your local motor factors and send the others back that you don't use .
I could do, but that would take me about 2 hours each time I need to go in to town...
and to cap it off they normally only have poo quality brake pads
here's the back of the drivers side one - if anyone knows which kind it is then it would save me a lot of time and hassle
ian locostzx9rc2 - 10/6/15 at 05:39 AM
I think the only way is take a drums off and take a look also if you cannt afford to have it off the road it maybe worth getting new wheel cylinders
as well just in case .trw do brake kits where you get every thing included brakes are fully assembled makes life a lot easier as well .
mcerd1 - 10/6/15 at 07:18 AM
Its actually had new wheel cylinders in the last year or so, but I didn't do them and we've no record of which kind were fitted...
but my pic above does look alot like the Lucas style cylinder that comes in some of the kits.....
rusty nuts - 10/6/15 at 07:29 AM
Take the photo to your motor factor or email it to them which might save you a wasted trip. Might be worth considering a brake "Superkit"
which comes complete with new shoes, cylinders ,adjuster mechanism and springs . I've found in the past that a lot of cars, normally French have
absolutely crap adjusters , Suer-kit adjusters are a lot better than original.
JAG - 10/6/15 at 07:32 AM
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Bosch, Lucas TRW and Lucas Girling!
That's only two different companies.
Lucas TRW and Lucas Girling are the same company just the names were applied at different periods in the same companies history.
britishtrident - 10/6/15 at 08:41 AM
http://brakeparts.co.uk/#!/shop/RENAULT/CLIO/04-07/CLIO%201.2%20CAMPUS/Rear%20-%20Brake%20Calipers%20and%20Wheel%20cylinders/BWC5983
rusty nuts - 10/6/15 at 09:09 AM
Looking at the photo I very much doubt the wheel cylinder in question has been changed?
prawnabie - 10/6/15 at 09:41 AM
If you can PM me the reg I will check dialogys on my break this morning.
Cheers
Shanu
prawnabie - 10/6/15 at 09:42 AM
quote:
Originally posted by JAG
quote:
Bosch, Lucas TRW and Lucas Girling!
That's only two different companies.
Lucas TRW and Lucas Girling are the same company just the names were applied at different periods in the same companies history.
Must be Renaults interpretation then Jag! They list 3 different part numbers too. I have a nightmare with these everytime we see one for rear brakes!
beaver34 - 10/6/15 at 10:24 AM
have you tried the main dealer? the might know what it had fitted
i work for Ford and our system know what was fitted originally there is no guessing when buying a genuine part
prawnabie - 10/6/15 at 11:52 AM
Diaogys sytem won't say what is fitted, it will ask the question!
mcerd1 - 10/6/15 at 12:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by beaver34
have you tried the main dealer? the might know what it had fitted
i work for Ford and our system know what was fitted originally there is no guessing when buying a genuine part
Well I'm also struggling to get hold of the parts guys in the local Renault dealers.....
I've made extensive use of the ford parts system, it does make life easier sometimes, even the old microfilm stuff wasn't too bad either
But I'm not holding my breath for Renaults part system....
prawnabie - 10/6/15 at 12:46 PM
PM me as above I work for Renault
mcerd1 - 10/6/15 at 03:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by prawnabie
PM me as above I work for Renault
Cheers for the offer, but I've actually already taken a punt on them being the Lucas ones based on BT's link above and a couple of other
catalogues... now if someone in the parts dep. will just answer the phone I can find out if they have any hub nuts in stock before I do the 1 hour
round trip
[Edited on 10/6/2015 by mcerd1]
prawnabie - 10/6/15 at 04:00 PM
Rear hub nuts are nylocks not stake type if you go non genuine.
mcerd1 - 11/6/15 at 12:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by prawnabie
Rear hub nuts are nylocks not stake type if you go non genuine.
Can't go aftermarket as the motorfactors don't stock them
At least the Renault ones are the same price...
mcerd1 - 15/6/15 at 12:35 PM
Update
Well the guess paid off - TRW stamped on them.
Cheers for all the help with that
Amazingly straightforward job for a clio, I thought them would have found some special Renault way of making it difficult....
The oil change on the other hand - how can they make it so hard to get at the filter
[Edited on 15/6/2015 by mcerd1]
rusty nuts - 15/6/15 at 01:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
Update
The oil change on the other hand - how can they make it so hard to get at the filter
[Edited on 15/6/2015 by mcerd1]
You think that's bad ?, try doing an oil change on a late Freelander diesel