Arument/Rant thread
russbost - 11/11/15 at 10:32 AM
I thought I would see if I can start an argument!
Due to a few recent threads being hi-jacked by people wanting to have a serious dig at each other, I thought perhaps we could have a thread where
everyone can do just that & thus save other threads of serious, momentous & world shaking engineering pioneeringness (made up word of the
month - anyone want to dispute that!) from getting spoiled!
In future if anyone ever takes something significantly off topic, particularly if demeaning anyone else's engineering/fabrication or whatever
prowess then just direct them here where they can dig away to their heart's content 
I'll start us off shall I?
CEC vs BEC - durrr! sorry, no argument, my ZZR1400 lump is the best of both worlds it will chunter away at 25mph in 6th gear, has all the torque of
any car engine EVER built (yes, that includes the 27 litre Merlin) & yet can be dropped 8 gears to scream away at 23,000 rpm when required &
produces nearly 1000 bhp, it will propel the car from 0 -100 in less than 2 seconds - don't believe me - well you are obviously a dickhead
then!
I'm off for some popcorn - anyone care to join me!
snapper - 11/11/15 at 10:55 AM
Slow day at the retirement home Russ?
That should start somethin
russbost - 11/11/15 at 11:04 AM
Well, for a start Paul your spelling is atrocious - somethin indeed!!!
In all seriousness I think it's a shame when people can't ask a legitimate Q or make a statement without others taking things way off topic
&/or just shooting people down in flames - frequently incorrectly ...................
Sorry had to stop it was 11 o'clock
.............. for no good reason, if you disagree with another point of view there are ways of making a point without being rude & ignorrant
purely for the sake of it
prawnabie - 11/11/15 at 11:14 AM
This thread is a wsate of my f**king time!!!!!
Sam_68 - 11/11/15 at 11:16 AM
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
Well, for a start Paul your spelling is atrocious - somethin indeed!!!
His spellin' is fine; it's his punctuation that's crap, innit?
Terry Pratchett used to reckon that triple exclamation marks was the sign of a diseased mind (an' he should know, seeing as he died of one)!!!
Sorry, that was in bad taste, wasn't it?
Bike engines are for girls, by the way - real men have a Wankel.
HowardB - 11/11/15 at 11:20 AM
I paid for a proper argument,.....
not this rubbish,. a waste of 6 Guineas!
cliftyhanger - 11/11/15 at 12:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by HowardB
I paid for a proper argument,.....
No you didn't
Ben_Copeland - 11/11/15 at 12:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
Well, for a start Paul your spelling is atrocious - somethin indeed!!!
Look who's talking. Arument???
onenastyviper - 11/11/15 at 12:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
quote:
Originally posted by HowardB
I paid for a proper argument,.....
No you didn't
"Oh yes he did!" - sorry, couldn't resist
kj - 11/11/15 at 12:07 PM
sod the lot of you's. stop this s**t
Mr Whippy - 11/11/15 at 12:25 PM
oh where are the good old days of watching CalvinX and Hellfire having nothing better to do than slag off each other at every opportunity then Mark
having a hissy fit and deleting all his hundreds of posts! Totally insane behaviour really.
Was looking into trolls a few weeks ago and why folk do that and it seems most have some mental health issues or just get pleasure in seeing folk get
upset by what they type while they consider themselves to be immune from the consequences, which is probably again a mental health issue and just a
few steps away from killing cats or other such behaviour.
What I think is needed is a website purely for trolls to send other trolls hatefull messages at each other while they get off on it. Could call it
something like HateFap
maccmike - 11/11/15 at 12:26 PM
All Lotus 7 style kits are sh1t.....
Mr Whippy - 11/11/15 at 12:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by maccmike
All Lotus 7 style kits are sh1t.....
well they are but that's not important....
I have compiled a list of what I see as common signs on this site for an active troll (I'm on my lunch break with nothing better to) -
1) Has been on the site for a very long time but has surprisingly few posts, even fewer posts that are actually helpful
2) Never seems to be building anything
3) No pictures of what they are building (because they just aren’t)
4) Openly admits they know nothing about car building but still think they have much to teach the rest of us even though we are not remotely
interested
5) Fills up threads with huge unrelated posted mostly rambling on about something completely different to the original post subject that they then
claim to be a world class expert in even though no one believes any of it
6) Only the trolls actually respond to each other while everyone else continues to discuss the original topic while they fight to have the last
comment on the thread.
russbost - 11/11/15 at 12:43 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
oh where are the good old days of watching CalvinX and Hellfire having nothing better to do than slag off each other at every opportunity then Mark
having a hissy fit and deleting all his hundreds of posts! Totally insane behaviour really.
Was looking into trolls a few weeks ago and why folk do that and it seems most have some mental health issues or just get pleasure in seeing folk get
upset by what they type while they consider themselves to be immune from the consequences, which is probably again a mental health issue and just a
few steps away from killing cats or other such behaviour.
What I think is needed is a website purely for trolls to send other trolls hatefull messages at each other while they get off on it. Could call it
something like HateFap
SO YOU & SAM BOTH THINK I HAVE A DISEASED MIND I FIND THIS DEEPLY OFFENSIVE & WILL IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ALL MY POSTS & CANCEL ANY DISCOUNTS
FOR LCB MEMBERS - HOW VERY DARE YOU!!!!
Ok, so what do you make of 4 exclamation marks then!
I think the troll website has great merit, I reckon you could sell a lot of advertising on there, viagra, cialis, to inflate the ego (?), prozac,
valium, to calm irate folks down, could make a fortune
russbost - 11/11/15 at 12:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
quote:
Originally posted by maccmike
All Lotus 7 style kits are sh1t.....
well they are but that's not important....
I have compiled a list of what I see as common signs on this site for an active troll (I'm on my lunch break with nothing better to) -
1) Has been on the site for a very long time but has surprisingly few posts, even fewer posts that are actually helpful
2) Never seems to be building anything
3) No pictures of what they are building (because they just aren’t)
4) Openly admits they know nothing about car building but still think they have much to teach the rest of us even though we are not remotely
interested
5) Fills up threads with huge unrelated posted mostly rambling on about something completely different to the original post subject that they then
claim to be a world class expert in even though no one believes any of it
6) Only the trolls actually respond to each other while everyone else continues to discuss the original topic while they fight to have the last
comment on the thread.
Scathing, but worryingly accurate - not sure I can agree with item 1) tho', some trolls seem to find it necessary to post on almost every subject
- including many they know absolutely nothing about, but profess to know everything!
prawnabie - 11/11/15 at 12:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by maccmike
All Lotus 7 style kits are sh1t.....
only the ones made in yorkshire....
Mr Whippy - 11/11/15 at 12:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
oh where are the good old days of watching CalvinX and Hellfire having nothing better to do than slag off each other at every opportunity then Mark
having a hissy fit and deleting all his hundreds of posts! Totally insane behaviour really.
Was looking into trolls a few weeks ago and why folk do that and it seems most have some mental health issues or just get pleasure in seeing folk get
upset by what they type while they consider themselves to be immune from the consequences, which is probably again a mental health issue and just a
few steps away from killing cats or other such behaviour.
What I think is needed is a website purely for trolls to send other trolls hatefull messages at each other while they get off on it. Could call it
something like HateFap
SO YOU & SAM BOTH THINK I HAVE A DISEASED MIND I FIND THIS DEEPLY OFFENSIVE & WILL IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ALL MY POSTS & CANCEL ANY DISCOUNTS
FOR LCB MEMBERS - HOW VERY DARE YOU!!!!
Ok, so what do you make of 4 exclamation marks then!
I think the troll website has great merit, I reckon you could sell a lot of advertising on there, viagra, cialis, to inflate the ego (?), prozac,
valium, to calm irate folks down, could make a fortune
Well I didn't actually mention any names of current trolls as I have not been on here very much due to lots to do at work. I have noticed you
left your caps lock on and have a sticky ! key, so you obviously need typing lessons and need to proof check your posts before sending.
Sam_68 - 11/11/15 at 01:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
SO YOU & SAM BOTH THINK I HAVE A DISEASED MIND
Now you're deliberately and vexatiously misquoting me, as usual, Mr Bost.
I said that the late Mr Pratchett suggested it was a sign of a diseased mind. I expressed no opinion on the matter myself. I have brought it to
the attention of the Pratchett Estate that you are attributing his intellectual property to others, and I have no doubt that their legal team will be
in contact shortly. 
ETA: Bugger. No, I did express an opinion on it, didn't I? Ah well.... never let truth and accuracy get in the way of a good arument. I'm
sure the lawyers will sort it out.
[Edited on 11/11/15 by Sam_68]
sprintB+ - 11/11/15 at 01:16 PM
I've got this fantastic Dutton !
Sam_68 - 11/11/15 at 01:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sprintB+
I've got this fantastic Dutton !
Oh, come on!!!
You're not taking this seriously, are you? Let's not wander off into the realms of complete fantasy.
russbost - 11/11/15 at 01:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Sam_68
quote:
Originally posted by sprintB+
I've got this fantastic Dutton !
Oh, come on!!!
You're not taking this seriously, are you? Let's not wander off into the realms of complete fantasy.
Sam, that is the funniest & most accurate thing you've ever said!
That said, I have nothing against Duttons, if it gives someone a cheap intro to the kitcar world & stops another Dutton from "becoming"
a locost or whatever, where's the harm?
Doctor Derek Doctors - 11/11/15 at 01:25 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sprintB+
I've got this fantastic Dutton !
Can I buy the V5 from you?
907 - 11/11/15 at 01:33 PM
I really don't get that there can't be two differing opinions on the same website.
Why should one person insist that everyone should share their opinion, or perhaps we are all latent Jehovah's Witnesses.
Paul G
sprintB+ - 11/11/15 at 01:33 PM
already sold it..............., a few times
r1_pete - 11/11/15 at 02:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by snapper
Slow day at the retirement home Russ?
Nah ees waytin 4 is zzr1400 ingun to spin up to 23 fousand refs
kj - 11/11/15 at 02:11 PM
what the dutton or the mk it now looks like??
BenB - 11/11/15 at 02:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 907
I really don't get that there can't be two differing opinions on the same website.
Why should one person insist that everyone should share their opinion, or perhaps we are all latent Jehovah's Witnesses.
Paul G
No. We are the Borg. Resistance is futile.
To be honest in a lot of posts some Socretean logic would go a long way. People tend to just repeat their opinion ad nauseam (usually something
they've read somewhere on the internet) without actually disproving any other points of view. It just becomes a shouting match usually based on
BS.
adithorp - 11/11/15 at 02:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
quote:
Originally posted by Sam_68
quote:
Originally posted by sprintB+
I've got this fantastic Dutton !
Oh, come on!!!
You're not taking this seriously, are you? Let's not wander off into the realms of complete fantasy.
Sam, that is the funniest & most accurate thing you've ever said!
No it's not. sprintB said Dutton not Robin Hood.
...and Russ, if you're going to have a go at peoples spelling, what the F**K is an Arument?
GeoffT - 11/11/15 at 03:11 PM
Anybody remember 'Considerably' who used to post on here?
Used to wind a few folks up, claiming he owned an expensive Caterham (along with his country estate) and how folks who built their own cars must
basically all be chav's....
Was actually quite witty with his comments though, I used to enjoy the banter.
theconrodkid - 11/11/15 at 03:18 PM
i cant be bothered to argue as you are all wrong 
jeffw - 11/11/15 at 03:19 PM
But they are all Chavs...!!!
adithorp - 11/11/15 at 03:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
But they are all Chavs...!!!
Chavs have gone up market and got Range Rovers.
steve m - 11/11/15 at 03:53 PM
I fully echo Russ's original post, as I mentioned in the one of the offending posts
Personally I spend my time on this fantastic website, to view problems and hints from my colleagues
some I can help with, as I built my own car from scratch, from "The book" and have rebuilt many cars and motorbikes over the years,
so if its scratch build, I may be able to help
Some peoples post on this site defy any reasoning, and self opinionated, and are just to antagonise, and upset
I do believe that the report button should be renamed to Unlike button, for each post, and for us the readers to hit, if we find it
to be against the flow of being constructive, the mods to moderate if someone is being an arse, and if so delete that offending post, plus after
having ten posts deleted have there account suspended for a week or more!
It must be easy for a mod to view unlike posts ?
I could go on and on, and copy stuff from Google, and [paste here, but I am not a sad fucker, or a troll
I also don't actually like confrontation, and even more aggressive natured posts or people
why can we not all be nice to one and other ?
steve
jps - 11/11/15 at 04:13 PM
Don't [some] people nowadays use internet forums in the way that they used to use the taproom in the local pub [i.e. to talk nonsense/bully
people]? The main difference here being - when you get a bit lippy no-one ACTUALLY gives you a slap round the chops?
It'd be nice if you could somehow block people who you just don't want to hear from - it works OK on Facebook - but in terms of actually
stopping it (apart from mods policing it, which will also be fighting the tide) i can't see anything changing in the long run...
EDIT: Oh - and my build progress is so slow I probably hit a few of the bullets on the 'is it a troll list' but I am fairly sure i'm
not :0D
[Edited on 11/11/15 by jps]
Sam_68 - 11/11/15 at 04:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
I do believe that the report button should be renamed to Unlike button, for each post, and for us the readers to hit, if we find it
to be against the flow of being constructive, the mods to moderate if someone is being an arse, and if so delete that offending post, plus after
having ten posts deleted have there account suspended for a week or more!
It must be easy for a mod to view unlike posts ?
Some forums (including Ozclubbies, the Australian equivalent of this one) have a 'like' button, that you can click if you find a post
helpful, interesting, or amusing. It then lists on the post the names of the members who have 'liked' the content, and it seems to be a
positive encouragement to good and helpful behaviour.
In combination with an 'unlike' button that does the same thing, it would almost be self-moderating, anyway (leaving the post up, so that
the 'offender' can see the number of people who consider them an arse), but yes, you could have a trigger after so many 'dislikes'
that would get you suspended for a period.
Ozclubbies also has a 'block' function, so you can choose to simply not see content from certain members, too, as per JPS's
suggestion.
Probably quite a bit of work for Chris to implement, though. 
Adamirish - 11/11/15 at 05:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
I thought I would see if I can start an argument!
Due to a few recent threads being hi-jacked by people wanting to have a serious dig at each other,
Isn't that what pistonheads is for?
russbost - 11/11/15 at 05:24 PM
...and Russ, if you're going to have a go at peoples spelling, what the F**K is an Arument?
I have no idea - when did I say that? & no, I haven't edited any of my posts! (Ahh! Ok, just spotted it, so I've edited this one, I
blame my dodgy old keyboard, after all there is no realistic chance it could be my fault is there? )
I'm slightly worried that this thread is getting more response than anything I've ever posted that was meant to be meaningful &
intelligent - not sure if that's telling me something about me or something about you lot?
[Edited on 11/11/15 by russbost]
Sam_68 - 11/11/15 at 05:28 PM
quote:
I have no idea - when did I say that?
:cough: read the thread title :cough:
russbost - 11/11/15 at 05:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Sam_68
quote:
I have no idea - when did I say that?
:cough: read the thread title :cough:
Beat you to it, was already edited above!
Sam_68 - 11/11/15 at 05:47 PM
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
Beat you to it, was already edited above!
Still, that does mean that the feeble attempt at humour in my second post on page one went right over your head?!
See, that's my problem... I'm just far too subtle most of the time. Maybe I need to just come out and say what I mean?
russbost - 11/11/15 at 06:09 PM
Still, that does mean that the feeble attempt at humour in my second post on page one went right over your head?!
See, that's my problem... I'm just far too subtle most of the time. Maybe I need to just come out and say what I mean?
No, no, not at all, I understood all about your little wankel! 
& geez, no, if you're normally being subtle I don't think that I want to see "blunt"
Sam_68 - 11/11/15 at 06:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
No, no, not at all, I understood all about your little wankel!
No, I meant the deliberate mis-spelling in the 'ETA' bit of my second post.
See, it's not a joke if you have to explain it. You've gone and spoilt it now.
LBMEFM - 11/11/15 at 06:19 PM
Don't you mean real men are Wankel's
russbost - 11/11/15 at 06:21 PM
Only the very most senior, educated & authentic engineers will understand the term "arument" - you've obviously all missed the
whole point of the original post!
steve m - 11/11/15 at 06:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
Only the very most senior, educated & authentic engineers will understand the term "arument" - you've obviously all missed the
whole point of the original post!
And they will both be on soon to argue the point
steve
jeffw - 11/11/15 at 06:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
But they are all Chavs...!!!
Chavs have gone up market and got Range Rovers.
Ohhhhh.....bitch
Sam_68 - 11/11/15 at 06:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by LBMEFM
Don't you mean real men are Wankel's
That as well, probably.
... but you gotta admit, anything with a reputation for spending a lot of time screaming ineffectually whilst not actually getting much work done, in
between throwing tantrums and breaking down completely for no reason, is obviously feminine?
So that definitely makes BECs a girl's accessory?
Whereas Wankels just drink a lot, smoke a lot and are difficult to get going on a morning. Male. QED.
[Edited on 11/11/15 by Sam_68]
russbost - 11/11/15 at 06:30 PM
Ha Ha! My turn, what's a reputation reputation? Is it from NY?
You've cheated & deleted/replaced - no fair!
[Edited on 11/11/15 by russbost]
Sam_68 - 11/11/15 at 06:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
You've cheated & deleted/replaced - no fair!
Mwahhahahahaha!
Benzine - 11/11/15 at 06:35 PM
At least everyone agrees that a diesel engine is the best engine for a se7en, at least there's that.
JacksAvon - 11/11/15 at 08:13 PM
I think people need to spend more time speeding while playing UB40 in a yorkshire built 7 while considering arument
jollygreengiant - 12/11/15 at 08:28 AM
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
Only the very most senior, educated & authentic engineers will understand the term "arument" - you've obviously all missed the
whole point of the original post!
OI, are you having a pop at my age now.
russbost - 12/11/15 at 08:45 AM
C'mon, own up, how many of you have checked out "arument" in the dictionary just to make sure? Someone told me the other day that the
word "gullible"had been removed from the dictionary, but I checked online & they were wrong ..........
Irony - 12/11/15 at 08:51 AM
CEC vs BEC.
Personally I just don't understand why you would put any bike engine in a car. I have had enough of there god awful, whiny, buzzy noises from
bikes let alone cars.
Yes your car maybe, lighter, faster, handle like its on rails and be more with cheating Chapmans 'ethos' BUT it sounds like a drunk angry
lesbian wasp. My V8 powered car maybe slower, handle worse and have truly terrible MPG but it sounds glorious. It sounds like a stampeding bull
elephant.
Oh yes and for all you BEC owners that say 'my BEC is great in traffic, docile around town, it can do anything a CEC can do.' SOD OFF, no
it can't do everything a CEC can do. My car will absolutely trash a BEC at tractor pulling. Tie my car to any BEC in the world and we are going
ownly one way. My way..........
Assuming my car doesn't break down of course.
I have been wanting to get that off my chest for ages.
[Edited on 12/11/15 by Irony]
[Edited on 12/11/15 by Irony]
russbost - 12/11/15 at 08:58 AM
"My car will absolutely trash a CEC at tractor pulling" - Yes, it probably will, but my BEC will trash your CEC at tractor pulling! - For a
start you will be sitting there spinning your wheels, whilst I with my mid engine will be gripping like fury!
I wonder why we all make so many typos, perhaps that's why arguments start in the first place?
Irony - 12/11/15 at 10:26 AM
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
"My car will absolutely trash a CEC at tractor pulling" - Yes, it probably will, but my BEC will trash your CEC at tractor pulling! - For a
start you will be sitting there spinning your wheels, whilst I with my mid engine will be gripping like fury!
I have over 600mm of rubber sitting on the road at the rear of my car to avoid wheelspin whilst tractor pulling. Besides I reckon your clutch will
burn out long long before my heavyweight Land Rover one does.
Wow we can start a new motorsport - Kit Car Tractor pulling <800kg or less
Irony - 12/11/15 at 10:28 AM
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
I wonder why we all make so many typos, perhaps that's why arguments start in the first place?
Its because we are all so eager to get our more than likely incorrect points across we don't read what we type.
jeffw - 12/11/15 at 10:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
"My car will absolutely trash a CEC at tractor pulling" - Yes, it probably will, but my BEC will trash your CEC at tractor pulling! - For a
start you will be sitting there spinning your wheels, whilst I with my mid engine will be gripping like fury!
I wonder why we all make so many typos, perhaps that's why arguments start in the first place?
Everyone knows the Fury is front mid-engined although the Fury Menace was mid-engined (if you call sitting next to a bike engine Mid-Engined).
gaz_gaz - 12/11/15 at 10:57 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Irony
CEC vs BEC.
Personally I just don't understand why you would put any bike engine in a car. I have had enough of there god awful, whiny, buzzy noises from
bikes let alone cars.
Yes your car maybe, lighter, faster, handle like its on rails and be more with cheating Chapmans 'ethos' BUT it sounds like a drunk angry
lesbian wasp. My V8 powered car maybe slower, handle worse and have truly terrible MPG but it sounds glorious. It sounds like a stampeding bull
elephant.
Oh yes and for all you BEC owners that say 'my BEC is great in traffic, docile around town, it can do anything a CEC can do.' SOD OFF, no
it can't do everything a CEC can do. My car will absolutely trash a BEC at tractor pulling. Tie my car to any BEC in the world and we are going
ownly one way. My way..........
Assuming my car doesn't break down of course.
I have been wanting to get that off my chest for ages.
[Edited on 12/11/15 by Irony]
[Edited on 12/11/15 by Irony]
Just LOL...That's brightened my day.
Irony - 12/11/15 at 12:26 PM
Oh and if I am ranting, just one more thing....
That donkey nose Ron 'what happened to him anyway' Champion owes me approximately £6750.
russbost - 12/11/15 at 03:15 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Irony
Oh and if I am ranting, just one more thing....
That donkey nose Ron 'what happened to him anyway' Champion owes me approximately £6750.
Hmmm - what did I say about gullible!
Benzine - 12/11/15 at 03:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Irony
Wow we can start a new motorsport - Kit Car Tractor pulling <800kg or less
I'm in! May be the only event my kit car could actually do well in
gaz_gaz - 12/11/15 at 03:31 PM
Any good engineer can build them with all the bells and whistles for £250.. EASY!!
[Edited on 12/11/15 by gaz_gaz]
Sam_68 - 12/11/15 at 03:43 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
quote:
Originally posted by Irony
Wow we can start a new motorsport - Kit Car Tractor pulling <800kg or less
I'm in! May be the only event my kit car could actually do well in
Are we allowed body conversions for my chavvy Range Rover TDV8? Might need a higher class weight limit though.