Cazoo Update
Mr Whippy - 8/3/21 at 02:51 PM
Just an update for anyone interested in how things went and your also considering is this a way to buy your next car? and no I don’t work for them or
get anything whatsoever for writing this in case you’re wondering.
So I got my Nissan Leaf from Cazoo and have to be honest it was a really great experience. Can’t fault them in any way. The car was even better than
shown on the review pictures on their website and despite being 4 years old literally looks straight out the show room without a mark anywhere. I
don’t think I could have got a car any better if I tried.
They arrived bang on time with it inside their custom transporter van, popped it right down infront of my house and the guy (who owns one too) took me
all through the car.
It came with -
• A full valet inside & out
• A full major service by Cazoo (stamped in the service book)
• New tyre inflation 12v pump & sealant (there was also the one that came with the car)
• Car inspection check off sheet
• 3 months warranty (Leafs come with 8 year warranties on the batteries anyway)
• 7 days free insurance (for the 7 day trial period so you’re not committed to the car in any way), Road tax is free for an EV off course…
• 90 days free RAC cover
• 86% battery charge, they said it would have at least 75%
• The two charging leads
• Goody bag of Cazoo things like flask, umbrella, ice scraper, screen squeegee, air fresher…etc
I’ve bought 34 cars over the year and compared to buying privately or at the dealer like when I got the VW Up it was a vastly better experience by
huge margin. There’s no pressure of a sales man and you have all the time you want to look over the documents and check things out. I thought it was a
much better way of buying a car.
As for the car? It's only got 18.5k miles on it but I swear that it the nicest car I have ever been in, incredibly quiet yet blisteringly quick
off the mark while doing the equivalent of 120mpg. No more ICE cars, I’ve had it with them. This is the new Whippymobile -
02GF74 - 8/3/21 at 04:29 PM
Have you checked inside the boot for the slippers with side zips, pipe and incontinence pants?
Mr Whippy - 8/3/21 at 04:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
Have you checked inside the boot for the slippers with side zips, pipe and incontinence pants?
all I'll say is have a shot of an EV and you'll see how back to front an ICE is for performance...
nick205 - 8/3/21 at 04:58 PM
...and will you paint this with a camouflage finish?
Interesting read, we're about to replace our aging VW Touran 1.9 TDI. 3 ever growing kids + a dog means an MPV type vehicle. I've looked,
but don't see a reasonably priced EV option. Hybrid may be the route for now for us.
However, we can't ignore the approach of 2030 when ICE vehicles can no longer be sold in the UK. I know ICE vehicles won't disappear
overnight, but we all have to change.
Mr Whippy - 8/3/21 at 05:02 PM
I think my wife would literally kill me if I painted that camo...
McLannahan - 8/3/21 at 05:05 PM
Have you purchased it outright Whipster?
Now that road fund licence are going up yet again - my old diesel Volvo is now approaching £30 a month to tax and I'd love an electric car...
Mr Whippy - 8/3/21 at 05:16 PM
No its through finance, with Cazoo £240 per month for 5 years for that particular car. No road tax and the insurance was the same as my little VW up.
Even with the Up I spent £80 a month on fuel plus the £135 finance so is only a little bit more for a car that's in a totally different class. I
mean the Up feels like a tractor in comparison lol.
You can get much cheaper EVs than that but do your research there's a lot of new things to learn about but I found it quite interesting.
This was one of the videos that persuaded me to change
youtube linky
[Edited on 8/3/21 by Mr Whippy]
02GF74 - 8/3/21 at 05:36 PM
quote:
Originally posted by nick205
However, we can't ignore the approach of 2030 when ICE vehicles can no longer be sold in the UK. I know ICE vehicles won't disappear
overnight, but we all have to change.
sold being the important word here and I believe that applies to new vehicles, that's if it actrually happens.
ofcourse fossil fuel powered vehicles won't disappear overnight and there still will be pleny of used petrol and weasel fueled vehicles to choose
fromj, just like it is possible to buy cars and motorcycles from the the previous century (1900) as well as steam driven cars.
electric powered cars, just like automatic, don't appeal to me. The only electric I plan to use is my mobility scooter when that time comes.
David Jenkins - 8/3/21 at 06:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
No more ICE cars, I’ve had it with them.
Welcome to the enlightened side! I can't imagine that I will ever buy another infernal combustion car as my main vehicle. Mine is a 1.85 tonne
crossover SUV that can do 60mph in 7.5 seconds - and it's sold as a general-purpose family car! Not too shabby. My wife currently has a small
Citroen C1, and we would swap it tomorrow if we could find a small electric equivalent at a sensible price (and we are looking). She may end up with
an early-model Leaf or Zoe as she doesn't need a lot of range and they are relatively cheap.
They do have their own issues, mostly to do with public charging, but that's mostly down to the people who operate the chargers. These cars are
so much better overall.
As for the end of new ICE cars - yes, there will be older cars still available after the deadline, but I can see higher taxation, increasing fuel
prices due to a smaller customer base, and assorted legislation being the killer blows. There are already a number of cities that either ban ICE cars
from their centre, or charge for entry (e.g. City of London).
[Edited on 8/3/21 by David Jenkins]
02GF74 - 8/3/21 at 06:50 PM
Remind me how that wee ditty goes.
You'll take the high road and I'll take the low road,
And I'll be in Scotland afore you
Because ye'll be at Thurrock services
Awaiting 3 hour for ye battery to recharge.
Mr Whippy - 8/3/21 at 07:01 PM
Tbh you sound just like me 5 years ago, I was all for going LPG and love loud old school cars. Mind I'm still rebuilding this Robinhood and
it's the complete opposite to the leaf but for my daily driver I prefer my stereo over the engine noise.
Anyway I'm sure this thread started as how I found Cazoo rather than EVs vs ICE cars lol.
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[Edited on 8/3/21 by Mr Whippy]
David Jenkins - 8/3/21 at 07:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
Awaiting 3 hour for ye battery to recharge.
Sometime this year I'll be going to visit my brother in Dornoch, Scotland. I live in East Anglia, and we usually stop over for one night in the
general Glasgow area. In my car I can get to the Glasgow area with just 1 mid-journey stop of around 50 - 60 minutes, during which I'll be
having some food, a toilet break, and generally stretching my legs. This journey will be at full legal road speed. The next day I will charge the
car somewhere near to my overnight stop (maybe overnight at the hotel, if I choose carefully) and then I'll drive to Dornoch without further
recharging. There's a fast charger at Dornoch that I will use to give me enough for driving around the locality for a week or so, then another
full charge for the start of my return journey.
02GF74 - 8/3/21 at 08:47 PM
^^^ do you need to book your slot at the charger else how do you know there will be a spare plug when you turn up?
David Jenkins - 8/3/21 at 09:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
^^^ do you need to book your slot at the charger else how do you know there will be a spare plug when you turn up?
I have an app called Zap-Map that tells me where the chargers are, whether they're working ok, and whether they're currently in use. If the
one I'm aiming for is broken, or in use, then I used the app to locate another nearby charger.
It's not a perfect system, but it's worked for me in 3 years of EV driving.
ianhurley20 - 8/3/21 at 09:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
No more ICE cars, I’ve had it with them.
My wife currently has a small Citroen C1, and we would swap it tomorrow if we could find a small electric equivalent at a sensible price (and we are
looking).
[Edited on 8/3/21 by David Jenkins]
I've got my name down for a Citroen Ami when they release it in the UK - sort of an electric 2CV quirky Citroen thing, currently available in
Paris at 30 euros/month
[Edited on 8/3/21 by ianhurley20]
David Jenkins - 8/3/21 at 10:22 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ianhurley20
I've got my name down for a Citroen Ami when they release it in the UK - sort of an electric 2CV quirky Citroen thing, currently available in
Paris at 30 euros/month
[Edited on 8/3/21 by ianhurley20]
I saw a review or two about those - my wife wouldn't tolerate the low top speed!
Now if we could get one of these at the price they are in China - https://youtu.be/QkIarb-8Ot8 - then it would be a perfect car for my
wife. She hates gadgets and gizmos, and just wants a car that you put in D and drive. All she wants to know is what speed she's doing, and the
current state of battery charge (or range, whatever).
steve m - 8/3/21 at 10:30 PM
Last feb or march 2020, (and things could of changed by now)
On the M4 eastbound we saw 3 cars waiting to charge, as both charging bays had cars in them, its a two hour limit on the car park, so with charging,
and paying the parking fee, is it realy cost effective ? also who wins? the service station, with the Parking charges, and go in with the family and
eat some dog meat in Mcdonalds
As the day i have to go electric, unless it has a min of 300 mile range, will be the last day i drive a car
For me, its the uncertainty of being able to charge up, and my local Shell garage has one port, and i dont think ive ever been in there with out a car
plugged in, so for me, unless i could plug in immeidetly, like filling a gas tank up, is a waste of my time, and im not waiting
It may just the way i am wired up, but fully electric cars do not do a thing for me, hybrids possibly but an almighty amount of work needs to go into
making charging cars anywhere a reality, not a pipe dream
SteveWalker - 8/3/21 at 10:55 PM
If I could afford one, I'd definitely go for a PHEV. The plug-in aspect would cover the vast majority of my normal driving (home to office and
back, around 24 miles), with the engine covering the more unusual.
From experience, I need a car that can get me to and from work; and then when I arrive home and find an answerphone message to tell us that a relative
has died in Ireland and is being buried the following morning (they don't hang around in Ireland); to get us to my parents to drop the kids off;
from Manchester to Holyhead; Dublin to Sligo; church to graveyard; graveyard to hotel for a meal; hotel to Belfast; Cairnryan to Manchester. All with
the only pauses being at the ports, at the church, graveyard and hotel or a few minutes at a garage for petrol, so no chance for a recharge.
More commonly, going on holiday would mean going to and from work; arriving home to hook up the trailer (most electrics aren't even certified to
tow) and pick-up the wife and kids; off to Cairnryan and Belfast to Donegal.
Another holiday has involved, home to work to home; to Nottingham; to Dover; From Calais to Stuttgart. An overnight stop on a campsite and on to
Salzburg.
While working, I have had cases of receiving a phonecall while in Portsmouth, asking me to be in Kilmarnock the next morning!
Electric only just can't meet my needs for flexibility, long journeys and instant availability - yet.
Simon - 8/3/21 at 11:26 PM
Five years ago I looked at Vauxhall Ampera as great looking but no good as batteries run up the centre so only 4 seats, then I was hoping to get a
Tesla Model 3 (deposit paid etc) as they'd said there would be a budget version under £30k, got bored of waiting for production to start then
they were high £30k's so bought my third Renault Grand Espace. It will never lose me more than £3000 (what I paid for it), carries 7 in great
comfort, handles brilliantly for a bus, does mid 40's mpg on a run (so I can go from Kent to Scotland and most of the way back on a tank).
I'm all in favour of electric but the infrastructure is still a bit rubbush (friend had a BMW i3 and found this out so replaced it with a
140i!)
I've now got to the stage where I really can't see the point in spending a lot on a car whether electric or internal combustion .....
David Jenkins - 9/3/21 at 05:41 AM
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
Last feb or march 2020, (and things could of changed by now) On the M4 eastbound we saw 3 cars waiting to charge, as both charging bays had cars in
them, its a two hour limit on the car park, so with charging, and paying the parking fee, is it realy cost effective ? also who wins? the service
station, with the Parking charges, and go in with the family and eat some dog meat in Mcdonalds
The motorways are a problem - a company called Ecotricity has a monopoly at the service stations, and they have a reputation for providing unreliable
chargers with poor charging rates. Zap-Map helps me to find better services just off motorways until the time when Ecotricity lose their monopoly, or
go bust (both a possibility).
Both Shell and BP have bought up major charging companies and are investing a vast amount of money in the infrastructure - expect forecourts to have a
fair number of chargers in the near future, almost certainly including motorway services. Shell have said publicly that there's no future for
oil.
Other huge companies are investing millions in charging hubs, including one near where I live (Brentwood, with around 20 charging points, plus decent
services and restaurants).
Milton Keynes has low-power street chargers all over the town centre, a reasonable number of high-speed chargers dotted around, plus a charging hub
with about 15 chargers on the outskirts of the town, about 400 yards off the M1. This is the way things will go, I reckon.
Nowhere near the ideal yet, but things are progressing rapidly.
[Edited on 9/3/21 by David Jenkins]
02GF74 - 9/3/21 at 07:25 AM
There is something mystical about seeing 16 valves jumping up and down at 4,000 rpm that a spinning motor does not have.
That aside, I will concede that for regular shortish journeys where there is guarantee of charging point availability at one or both ends, they are
ideal, such as commuting from home to work.
Since I cycle to/from work, ye olde volvo is only used at weekends for medium to long trips in unpredictable directions and distances, mostly with the
mtb in the back to take me somewhere new for biking. I don't need to worry about if I have enough energy to get there nor where to go to
recharge at the other end if need be.
It is likely the petrol engined car drivers/motorcyclists will get priced out so be forced to go electrical.
Mr Whippy - 9/3/21 at 07:40 AM
No their not ideal for every trip you can think of but for the usual 95 - 99% of the trips they are. Most families own two cars and having one as an
EV for the most regular trips is a good way to save money, which is exactly what I've done. Most on here seem to be perfectly happy to have a
impractical 2 seater with dodgy weather gear as a second car but one with only 120 miles range before recharging well that's just too much to
take!
David Jenkins - 9/3/21 at 08:15 AM
No, they don't suit everyone. If there is a chance that you may have unexpected journeys to far-flung places at short notice then an ICE vehicle
is more appropriate. Most long-distance journeys in an electric vehicle require a bit of pre-planning (it's just a new skill that becomes second
nature). Hydrogen fuel-cell cars might end up being suitable, but as there's only one hydrogen filling station in the UK (at the last count) then
there's little point - maybe when every filling station has a hydrogen dispenser then they may become popular. Personally I think they're a
dead-end, but I'll be happy to be proved wrong.
I would avoid any sort of hybrid though, as you still have the maintenance liability of the petrol engine with the added weight and complexity of the
electric motor, batteries and control gear, There's little saving to be made, as a really good modern ICE car can approach (or equal) the mpg of
a hybrid, and the servicing costs of the hybrid will be much higher.
quote:
Originally posted by SteveWalker
If I could afford one, I'd definitely go for a PHEV. The plug-in aspect would cover the vast majority of my normal driving (home to office and
back, around 24 miles), with the engine covering the more unusual.
From experience, I need a car that can get me to and from work; and then when I arrive home and find an answerphone message to tell us that a relative
has died in Ireland and is being buried the following morning (they don't hang around in Ireland); to get us to my parents to drop the kids off;
from Manchester to Holyhead; Dublin to Sligo; church to graveyard; graveyard to hotel for a meal; hotel to Belfast; Cairnryan to Manchester. All with
the only pauses being at the ports, at the church, graveyard and hotel or a few minutes at a garage for petrol, so no chance for a recharge.
More commonly, going on holiday would mean going to and from work; arriving home to hook up the trailer (most electrics aren't even certified to
tow) and pick-up the wife and kids; off to Cairnryan and Belfast to Donegal.
Another holiday has involved, home to work to home; to Nottingham; to Dover; From Calais to Stuttgart. An overnight stop on a campsite and on to
Salzburg.
While working, I have had cases of receiving a phonecall while in Portsmouth, asking me to be in Kilmarnock the next morning!
Electric only just can't meet my needs for flexibility, long journeys and instant availability - yet.
02GF74 - 9/3/21 at 09:53 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
No their not ideal for every trip you can think of but for the usual 95 - 99% of the trips they are. Most families own two cars and having one as an
EV for the most regular trips is a good way to save money, which is exactly what I've done. Most on here seem to be perfectly happy to have a
impractical 2 seater with dodgy weather gear as a second car but one with only 120 miles range before recharging well that's just too much to
take!
Firstly forget the 2 seater with dodgy weather gear, those aren't typically used for long journeys and can't carry a MTB but you may have a
point.
Thinking more about it, the longer journeys I regularly do is round trip to Birmingham, say 220 miles so that is on the current (no pun intended)
limit of EV cars. Longer journeys require planning and those would involve a short 1/2 hour leg stretch at services and an overnight stay at hotel,
but I do the planning for: stay, route to ride, visiting any interesting things etc anyway so should not be too big a hardship for locating charge
point.
BUT I haven't noticed that the hotels I've been staying at have at least one charging point (but TBH not been long for them), so it is a
trip elsewhere to plug in and but then how do you get back?
EV at present are still too inconvenient (range/charge point locations) and expensive at present for my driving needs.
[Edited on 9/3/21 by 02GF74]
David Jenkins - 9/3/21 at 10:31 AM
Purely by coincidence - spotted this an hour ago:
Ecotricity to lose motorway
franchise
The sooner the better!!
Mr Whippy - 9/3/21 at 12:43 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
No their not ideal for every trip you can think of but for the usual 95 - 99% of the trips they are. Most families own two cars and having one as an
EV for the most regular trips is a good way to save money, which is exactly what I've done. Most on here seem to be perfectly happy to have a
impractical 2 seater with dodgy weather gear as a second car but one with only 120 miles range before recharging well that's just too much to
take!
Firstly forget the 2 seater with dodgy weather gear, those aren't typically used for long journeys and can't carry a MTB but you may have a
point.
Thinking more about it, the longer journeys I regularly do is round trip to Birmingham, say 220 miles so that is on the current (no pun intended)
limit of EV cars. Longer journeys require planning and those would involve a short 1/2 hour leg stretch at services and an overnight stay at hotel,
but I do the planning for: stay, route to ride, visiting any interesting things etc anyway so should not be too big a hardship for locating charge
point.
BUT I haven't noticed that the hotels I've been staying at have at least one charging point (but TBH not been long for them), so it is a
trip elsewhere to plug in and but then how do you get back?
EV at present are still too inconvenient (range/charge point locations) and expensive at present for my driving needs.
[Edited on 9/3/21 by 02GF74]
I suggest you don't get one
David Jenkins - 9/3/21 at 02:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
This doesn't match my personal experience - mid-winter, heating always on, medium-to-fast driving, and I get just over 200 miles for an 80%
charge. It's about 220 - 240 miles in the summer with the same charge, over 300 in ideal conditions with a full charge (I have done this).
Mine is by no means in the 'luxury car' bracket - it's a family crossover SUV.
[Edited on 9/3/21 by David Jenkins]
02GF74 - 9/3/21 at 02:46 PM
ignore the description at the bottom or read as typical range - so called "luxury" cars are just cars with a bigger battery. Your figures
match almost exactly those in the rightmost bar chart.
David Jenkins - 9/3/21 at 03:14 PM
I bet Kia would be overjoyed to know that their product comes under 'luxury cars'!
MikeRJ - 12/4/21 at 12:49 PM
I bought a Polo GTi through Cazoo at the end of last year and I really couldn't fault the experience. The car was immaculate and the delivery
driver was a lovely guy who explained everything in detail and spent ages going over the car and it's features etc.
The driver did say I'd "undersold" my trade in (Swift Sport) though, I described it as average due to scabby alloys (typical for
Japanese alloys IME) and a fair bit of stone chipping on the bonnet & bumper but the rest of the car was very tidy. Said it was mint compared to
some of the garbage that people described as "good condition".