2035 zero co2 ban exemption
peter030371 - 19/2/23 at 09:50 AM
Interesting Sunday morning read
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/eus-2035-ban-exemption-gives-small-uk-sports-car-makers-lifeline
Sounds like we will follow with a similar ruling. The options probably won't be low cost, no major ICE manufacturers will have an endless supply
of low cost crate engines but it's a start. After all Ford xflow and Zytec crate engines stayed available for a decade or two after production
stopped.
Fuel supply will become another issue with petrol stations becoming few and far between and charging more and more for what will be a low volume
specialist fuel. For us low mileage kit car drivers it's just something we will have to pay for.
nick205 - 19/2/23 at 10:05 AM
Interesting.
I asked Ultima in 2022 if they had plans to develop and offer an EV Ultima. It was a "not at this time" reply.
No intention of buying/building one, I was curious.
This may be a way forward for them.
JoelP - 19/2/23 at 07:59 PM
I wouldn't even worry about that myself. There will be fossil cars on the road for decades, and when there aren't in sure we'll all be
busy building electric cars. Just wish you could buy cheap electric transaxles now! Id convert my van in an instant.
Slimy38 - 20/2/23 at 01:09 PM
I think my eyesight and reaction time will force me out of a car long before I have to worry about where I'm buying my car or how I'll fill
it up!
I did briefly look at putting an electric motor into my current kit, and it was actually not as painful as I thought it was. A single motor connected
to existing transmission and a battery pack where the fuel tank should be, and I'd be set. It would just be cost, it's not as if I can pop
down to the scrapyard and pick up an electric motor and all associated bits for £300.
nick205 - 20/2/23 at 02:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Slimy38
I think my eyesight and reaction time will force me out of a car long before I have to worry about where I'm buying my car or how I'll fill
it up!
I did briefly look at putting an electric motor into my current kit, and it was actually not as painful as I thought it was. A single motor connected
to existing transmission and a battery pack where the fuel tank should be, and I'd be set. It would just be cost, it's not as if I can pop
down to the scrapyard and pick up an electric motor and all associated bits for £300.
That's the bit that'll take a while to filter through, is EV cars becoming affordable as donors. Then there's the question of aged EV
cars and whether the battery packs will need repalcing as part of the donor process....
coyoteboy - 27/2/23 at 09:19 AM
It's a kit, build your battery.
David Jenkins - 27/2/23 at 11:47 AM
quote:
Originally posted by peter030371
Fuel supply will become another issue with petrol stations becoming few and far between and charging more and more for what will be a low volume
specialist fuel. For us low mileage kit car drivers it's just something we will have to pay for.
I think that this will be the killer for most i.c. cars in the future. Remember how they said that 4-star leaded fuel will be available for
specialist vehicle owners? That didn't last very long...
nick205 - 27/2/23 at 01:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
It's a kit, build your battery.
Now there's an idea 
Mr Whippy - 28/2/23 at 07:45 AM
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
quote:
Originally posted by peter030371
Fuel supply will become another issue with petrol stations becoming few and far between and charging more and more for what will be a low volume
specialist fuel. For us low mileage kit car drivers it's just something we will have to pay for.
I think that this will be the killer for most i.c. cars in the future. Remember how they said that 4-star leaded fuel will be available for
specialist vehicle owners? That didn't last very long...
I kind of saw this with the RC planes. When I started 20 years ago almost all were IC and glow fuel was cheap and easily sourced. Now almost all are
electric and I've had to switch to petrol engines as the glow fuel is through the roof and not stocked anywhere local and costs a fortune to
ship.
I can see the same thing happening to IC cars, as less and less of cars using fuel, there will come a tipping point where it is not economical for
petrol stations to exist as a business (many are closing as it is). At that point how will you get your fuel? and if you do how much is it going to
cost you?! Then I'd expect the market value of IC cars crash.
I have both types and see the huge appeal of electric over IC, especially those who are not car enthusiasts (the vast majority). It will be
interesting times and everyone has a view on how it will pan out but only time will tell.
As for building your own battery, loads are doing this already and it's not even that hard. Some use 3D printers to make the insulator components
and the STL files are on CG Trader.
Slimy38 - 28/2/23 at 07:57 AM
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
quote:
Originally posted by peter030371
Fuel supply will become another issue with petrol stations becoming few and far between and charging more and more for what will be a low volume
specialist fuel. For us low mileage kit car drivers it's just something we will have to pay for.
I think that this will be the killer for most i.c. cars in the future. Remember how they said that 4-star leaded fuel will be available for
specialist vehicle owners? That didn't last very long...
Aye, it was a very short life... although I do remember it being available during the first fuel blockade, and owning a 1991 Cavalier at the time.
Being able to fuel up while everyone else was queueing for the dregs of unleaded was quite satisfying. Then I saw a woman in a brand new Fiesta follow
me to the pump. 
Mr Whippy - 28/2/23 at 11:09 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Slimy38
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
quote:
Originally posted by peter030371
Fuel supply will become another issue with petrol stations becoming few and far between and charging more and more for what will be a low volume
specialist fuel. For us low mileage kit car drivers it's just something we will have to pay for.
I think that this will be the killer for most i.c. cars in the future. Remember how they said that 4-star leaded fuel will be available for
specialist vehicle owners? That didn't last very long...
Aye, it was a very short life... although I do remember it being available during the first fuel blockade, and owning a 1991 Cavalier at the time.
Being able to fuel up while everyone else was queueing for the dregs of unleaded was quite satisfying. Then I saw a woman in a brand new Fiesta follow
me to the pump.
I remember that too and I was using my Bluebird, I asked the guy behind the till how much they had still of the lead replacement and he said 14,000
liters 
yeah that will do me. One of the perks of driving an old car.
coyoteboy - 1/3/23 at 10:07 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
quote:
Originally posted by peter030371
Fuel supply will become another issue with petrol stations becoming few and far between and charging more and more for what will be a low volume
specialist fuel. For us low mileage kit car drivers it's just something we will have to pay for.
I think that this will be the killer for most i.c. cars in the future. Remember how they said that 4-star leaded fuel will be available for
specialist vehicle owners? That didn't last very long...
I kind of saw this with the RC planes. When I started 20 years ago almost all were IC and glow fuel was cheap and easily sourced. Now almost all are
electric and I've had to switch to petrol engines as the glow fuel is through the roof and not stocked anywhere local and costs a fortune to
ship.
As for building your own battery, loads are doing this already and it's not even that hard. Some use 3D printers to make the insulator components
and the STL files are on CG Trader.
It's about 10 quid a litre delivered and lasts forever? Was it cheaper at some point?
Regarding battery builds, I was serious, but I think the average Joe needs to spend a little more time understanding thermal runaway and how to design
packs, some that I've seen are little better than bombs.