Nissan X trails - opinions......
Jumpy Guy - 7/10/09 at 05:39 PM
Looking at an xtrail as my next daily driver.
Anyone got experience of them?
MakeEverything - 7/10/09 at 05:40 PM
Similar to the CRV (Honda) - It will be a bit thirsty i would suspect. Never driven one though.
COREdevelopments - 7/10/09 at 05:43 PM
diesels have a renault dci engine. A nice 4x4 and its not a freelander so its a good choice. just a shame about the french engine.
Rob
[Edited on 7/10/09 by COREdevelopments]
StevieB - 7/10/09 at 05:44 PM
Coose had one and liked it a lot. He did an extraordinary annual mileage too.
smart51 - 7/10/09 at 05:45 PM
The N trail is one of those not-off-roaders that is neither one thing nor the other. Not a great drive, not handy for parking or narrow city streets.
not good off road. Probably not a brilliant tow car. heavy on fuel too. Wouldn't be on my short list. Whatever you want it for, there are
probably half a dozen better alternatives.
franky - 7/10/09 at 05:45 PM
Next door neighbour had one......... 2 engines needed. Avoid anything with a french engine.
Jumpy Guy - 7/10/09 at 05:45 PM
Reports give mid 30's to 40 mpg
The engines are relitively sound though?
(despite being french.......)
Jumpy Guy - 7/10/09 at 05:45 PM
I need space for 2 babies and assorted junk.
Leather interior a must.
occasional 800 mile round trips to london.
Daily 30 mile commute
Ocassional use as a tow car.
Must be reliable!
7k to spend
All suggestions welcome!!
[Edited on 7/10/09 by Jumpy Guy]
COREdevelopments - 7/10/09 at 05:54 PM
Rav4 d4d is worth a look. only down side is bit small in boot area. unless you go for a 3rd generation rav, but its more money.
the d4d 2nd gen did have issues with towing, due to the weak clutches and dualmass flywheels. but all had a recall which included new flywheel
stronger clutch and new ecu along with a clutch postion switch.
Rob
franky - 7/10/09 at 05:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Jumpy Guy
I need space for 2 babies and assorted junk.
Leather interior a must.
occasional 800 mile round trips to london.
Daily 30 mile commute
Ocassional use as a tow car.
Must be reliable!
7k to spend
All suggestions welcome!!
[Edited on 7/10/09 by Jumpy Guy]
Why don't you just buy an estate? 7k would get you a nice tdi quattro A6 estate.
Bigger inside than an x-trail/freelander etc. Better made, better to drive too.
COREdevelopments - 7/10/09 at 05:58 PM
agreed with above
coozer - 7/10/09 at 06:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Jumpy Guy
I need space for 2 babies and assorted junk.
Leather interior a must.
occasional 800 mile round trips to london.
Daily 30 mile commute
Ocassional use as a tow car.
Must be reliable!
7k to spend
All suggestions welcome!!
[Edited on 7/10/09 by Jumpy Guy]
So, you don't need a 4x4 then, just a big estate. 4 person family so any four door car surely?
Ben_Copeland - 7/10/09 at 06:36 PM
Big estate. Stay away from 4x4 unless you go offroad or tow massive trailers all the time.
I have a 06 Mondeo Estate, massive inside and massive boot. Plenty of power for towing etc.
Jumpy Guy - 7/10/09 at 06:50 PM
All seems fair enough.
BUT AUdi A6 Quattro TDI for that money?
not sure its do-able without spaceship mileage
just looked on autotrader- the lowest mileage for my money is 135,000
and its six years old
which is not really a viable option.........
[Edited on 7/10/09 by Jumpy Guy]
nib1980 - 7/10/09 at 06:58 PM
x trail are fantastic cars. But i get to drive them a lot
britishtrident - 7/10/09 at 07:18 PM
Renault dci Diesels are best given an extremely wide berth --- well established history of turbo failures destroying the engine. Main cause is
appears the oil being under specified and the manufacturers scheduled oil change intervals being set to far apart.
To last these engines from new need fully synthetic oil which should be changed every 5,000miles
britishtrident - 7/10/09 at 07:21 PM
Just add take a look at the Honda Crv and the Kia Sportage
And do a google on ---- Renault turbo failure
or Renault Nissan dci turbo failure
[Edited on 7/10/09 by britishtrident]
02GF74 - 7/10/09 at 07:48 PM
my friend has one and I have driven it.
drives like a slightly taller saloon so ok inthat respect but then I am comparing it to a volvo estate and series land rover.
has no low box so should suck off road but is surprisingly good - poor ground clearance though.
also the panels are bendy but then that is the same for all modern cars, not sure if some of the panels are plastic so can take bumps.
overall, I like it.
britishtrident - 7/10/09 at 08:36 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Jumpy Guy
I need space for 2 babies and assorted junk.
Leather interior a must.
occasional 800 mile round trips to london.
Daily 30 mile commute
Ocassional use as a tow car.
Must be reliable!
7k to spend
All suggestions welcome!!
[Edited on 7/10/09 by Jumpy Guy]
Still a few good Rover 75 Ctdi tourers (ie BMW powered estates) to be found for a lot less than that seriously good diesels with loads of space.
trextr7monkey - 7/10/09 at 08:37 PM
We have had a petrol one from new '55 reg. It is just approaching 41 k now was wife's car but now been passed on to me
It has a 2.5 litre
engine so despite the looks it is pretty pokey , you can soon find yourself onthe wrong side of 90 when motoring along.
We bought some special model ( Aventura??) that came with loads of extras - alloys sat nav etc included and the new one was cheape rthan some of the
previous used models.
Has a 5 speed box where as the diesel has 6
It drives very well bit of roll on the bends if you push it and catches the wind on stormy days. Interior very comfy - agree about leather seats tend
not to use the heated seats but air con and sun roof both useful.
I find the steering very sensitive - if you are looking out of the side window you could quickly find yourself in a ditch , headlights are superb for
night driving.
Re reliability it has never missed a beat , it has had both front calipers changed as they seized up but there's a 3 year warranty period. The
brakes are spot on
Plastic panels keep weight down and make repairs easy, dont see it as a problem myself .
Haven't done a lot of towing but seemed fine when we did.
HTH Mike
britishtrident - 7/10/09 at 08:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by COREdevelopments
diesels have a renault dci engine. A nice 4x4 and its not a freelander so its a good choice. just a shame about the french engine.
Rob
[Edited on 7/10/09 by COREdevelopments]
Both the diesels used in the Freelander 1s were pretty good as were the gearboxes --- most of the rest of the Freelander not so.
Coose - 7/10/09 at 08:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
Renault dci Diesels are best given an extremely wide berth --- well established history of turbo failures destroying the engine. Main cause is
appears the oil being under specified and the manufacturers scheduled oil change intervals being set to far apart.
To last these engines from new need fully synthetic oil which should be changed every 5,000miles
Is that right? My old company En-Trail Columbia mustn't have had the Renault engine then....
Oh hang on, it was a 2.2 DCI so it did! It was driven like a company car should be (i.e. drive it like you stole it), did 88k miles in 3 years, was
serviced as per the book (every 12k +/- 1k miles or so) and went into the garage twice for things that weren't a service: -
- To replace the power sterring return pipe that runs behind the radiator. It had a little crack in it but it was no real hassle as it wasn't
under pressure. Fixed under warranty.
- New rear bumper after the lad next door drove into the back of it when the sun was in his eyes. Fixed at his cost.
We did North Yorkshire to St Etienne in two days last Christmas without the slightest gripe. It returned just over 30mpg (which isn't great for a
diesel, but is when you are fully-loaded with the aerodynamics of a fridge) and was surprisingly good fun through the Alps around the in-laws near
Monaco.
If it's the kind of thing you're after you could do a lot worse. I did consider buying it when the lease ran out, but they wanted the same
for it as I could get one with a third of the mileage!
02GF74 - 7/10/09 at 08:55 PM
quote:
Originally posted by trextr7monkey
It drives very well bit of roll on the bends if you push it and catches the wind on stormy days.
yep, does that - bit too soft suspension wise.
franky - 7/10/09 at 10:20 PM
If not a a6 quattro a normal tdi A6 estate. Honda accord 2.2 itdci estate too.....
mangogrooveworkshop - 7/10/09 at 10:42 PM
Had one for work and my knees bashed the dash everytime you got in it.
Swopped it for the disco that we had at the time and that was better for the tools ect.
Crap in the snow and very twitchy when we used it on call..............disco just flattened the snow where the x trail followed all the ruts.
britishtrident - 8/10/09 at 10:10 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Coose
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Oh hang on, it was a 2.2 DCI so it did! It was driven like a company car should be (i.e. drive it like you stole it), did 88k miles in 3 years, was
serviced as per the book (every 12k +/- 1k miles or so) and went into the garage twice for things that weren't a service: -!
In the engines natural home the Renault Megane the service interval was 18k miles ----and originally fully synthetic oil wasn't specified. The
result was a very large percentage of these engines suffered turbo failure in a major way from 60,000 miles onwards. The debris from the turbo
frequently entering the cylinders and wrecking the whole engine. It mostly seems to occur between 70,000 and 90,000 miles but I have heard of cases
at as low as 25,000 miles.
Both Renault and Nissan have replaced a large number of these engines "as a good will gesture" , with Renault the cut off point of good
will seems to be 90,000 miles.
As already said a quick Google or a search on sites such as Honest John will reveal a disproportionately large number of bad experiences with these
engines.
Buying secondhand the buyer has no way to know what oil has been used in the engine --- even with service receipts there is no guarantee fully
synthetic oil was actually used.
JoelP - 8/10/09 at 11:29 AM
quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
And do a google on ---- Renault turbo failure
or Renault Nissan dci turbo failure
suspect thats the same as the vivaro unit, in which case, been there done that...