I wanted to swap my tiger avon's 2.0ltr zetec engine to a BEC. Is it a simple thing to do or will I have to near enough strip the car basics and start again with all components?? Does anyone have a rough kind of price I would be looking at to do that???
new engine cradle, electrics, coolant plumbing, fuel system mods, new blouse, new exhaust, new instruments inside, prop shaft, reverse box/electric
reverse if you want/need one, diff might be a crap ratio for a bec...
thats just a quick list, of couse each job like coolant plumbing can be broken into a big job.
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Originally posted by blakep82
new blouse,
Or you could just try doing a deal with someone selling a BEC who may be willing to consider some form of trade. The guy selling
Aries Locoblade Bike Engined Kit Car on eBay (end time 04-Jun-11 09:12:11 BST) is quite approachable
when you have removed the zetec the only mod to the electrics is a 13 amp plug socket to power up the hairdrier
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=90943
OMG its sooo not easy.
:O)
swap with someone who wants rid of BEC thats easier lol
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Originally posted by DRC INDY 7
when you have removed the zetec the only mod to the electrics is a 13 amp plug socket to power up the hairdrier
Or have a look at this thread, http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=154398
I put a full list of what it cost me and parts rquired to go from pinto to zx10r
Why are people so against swapping to a BEC?? Iv been in one before and the acceleration difference is amazing.. Is there more to it then??? Reliability??? Not as fun??? More expensive parts to change?? What are the downsides????
no ones against it but it will cost a lot of money when you break it down
engine £750 - £2,000 ish
exhaust £300 ish
new dials etc £150 ish
reverse box £500
new diff for bec £ 150 ish
new prop £200 ish
engine cradle £no idea
then theres the wiring,plumbing etc you could spend £3.5k easy
3.5k???? I could just sell mine and nearly buy a new one for that... Has anyone on here gone from using a zetec engine or pinto and swapped to BEC??? any down sides? any massive perks. I just want to hear peoples opinions so I can consider making the swap
how much were you expecting it to cost? you would need a power commander also if goin injection. another few hundred quid for this!
Downsides are having a tiny engine screaming away at a zillion RPM if you want to travel any distance, no reverse gear (unless you fit reverse box or
electric reverse) and you need a decently light car to take full advantage of the limited torque they make. Some of the bike engines can be a bit
fragile in the gearbox and clutch area when hauling a car along, and some need special sumps or dry sumping to prevent oil surge.
On the plus side they are very light, revvy and you get a sequential box.
You could always fit a decent car engine (i.e. not a Pintosaurus)...
U say decent engine? Like what?
duratec is nice and light.fairly powerful. some are using nissan turbos/saab turbos and making big power, but obviously a fair bit heavier. im using the honda s2000 engine,fairly powerful with around 250 bhp, love to be revved,good gearbox etc. it all depends on cost.
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Originally posted by jono2020
Why are people so against swapping to a BEC??
Nope, I've thought really hard about this and can't think of any downsides when converting to BEC........
Have you seen the sticky thread in this section about converting from CEC to BEC? If not, take a look and stick some prices against the bits
you'd need. Deduct the stuff you can sell from your CEC and it probably won't be too expensive. You've obviously been for a spin in a
BEC and seen the light, so don't be put off by the CEC boys They like to mention the lack of torque that BECs have but this is a red herring -
what they fail to mention is the torque multiplier in the form of a primary reduction gear. Some also prefer the drone of a tractor engine to the tune
of a BEC when it's in full voice. Then there's the lack of a reverse gear........ is it really a downside? If you consider it is,
they're not too difficult to fit. Lastly, reliability........ I can only speak from our own experience but since building the car, we have never
had to replace any clutch or gearbox parts despite doing numerous track days, drag days and over 15,000 road miles, and losing the engine oil on two
separate occasions.
Go for it!! You won't regret it........ 
Phil
Turbo power, sr20det
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Its the way forward, i can pootle around in 5th gear doing 30 with no probs and then drop it to 2nd and leave everybody behind.
Not one to blow my own trumpet but my car is stuped qick when you want it to be and calm when you dont, i have the best of everything AND i get about
35mpg on the motorway BUT i can get it down to 10mpg when giving it plenty of stick
Go for a ZZR14 lots of torque so can run low rpm mine will pull like a train from 5,000 and you still have the sequential box
but no reverse, but the 2 years i've been on the road i've not needed to go backward
I am interested in going down the honda s2000 route if im honest. Iv been in a civic type r with the same engine and its very quick, and heavy. So to put that engine in my light car would be awsome. But then do I just need to swap the engine or do I need to change everything...
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Originally posted by jono2020
I am interested in going down the honda s2000 route if im honest. Iv been in a civic type r with the same engine and its very quick, and heavy. So to put that engine in my light car would be awsome. But then do I just need to swap the engine or do I need to change everything...
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Originally posted by Hellfire
Nope, I've thought really hard about this and can't think of any downsides when converting to BEC........
Have you seen the sticky thread in this section about converting from CEC to BEC? If not, take a look and stick some prices against the bits you'd need. Deduct the stuff you can sell from your CEC and it probably won't be too expensive. You've obviously been for a spin in a BEC and seen the light, so don't be put off by the CEC boys
Go for it!! You won't regret it........
Phil
I converted Mine from BEC to bigger BEC.
Got a £400 for my old engine and bits.
It cost me £1600 for a fine 2004/5 ZX12R engine from Yorkshine engines.
£30 for a new radiator.
£80 for a header tank.
£250 approx. for a Power comander.
£200 for S/H down pipes.
£100 (approx) for other misc. parts.
So at guess £2000 ish to convert.
If you went for an older engine to start off, it could be possible to do for a couple of hundred.
£300-£500 for a carbed 900-1100 minus what you sell your bit for.
You may only need some plumbing pipes , a pressure reg. for the fuel, and some down pipes.
My old RF900 (96) sold for £200 and 0 to 60 in is, only 0.6secs slower than my ZX12r.
zx12r
Also look out for anyone uprading there BEC.
I did not get much more than £400 for all my old bits.
Martin
S2000 isn't the same engine, its another 40bhp and 1000rpm
I could also point you in the direction of a m3 engine too, N/A and 320bhp
The sr20det/s2000/m3 were all possible donors on my list, I made my choice on donor cost at the time.
S2000 is a good choice but I reckon the BEC will be cheaper. If cost isn't an issue, go for it.
Phil