grassracer
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 06:35 PM |
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Recommend me a hillclimb/sprint/trackday car
I'm looking for a cheap toy for use on hillclimbs/sprints and a few track days. It needs to be a tin top and road legal and come in at under a
grand to buy. Cheap and easy to find go faster bits for as well....if it was your money what would you buy ??
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 06:36 PM |
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for under a grand ?
205, nova , corsa , even a metro .
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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carpmart
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 06:38 PM |
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MK1 or MK2 MR2
You only live once - make the most of it!
Radical Clubsport, Kwaker motor
'94 MX5 MK1, 1.8
F10 M5 - 600bhp Daily Hack 
Range Rover Sport - Wife's Car
Mercedes A class - Son's Car
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carpmart
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 06:38 PM |
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or E30 325
You only live once - make the most of it!
Radical Clubsport, Kwaker motor
'94 MX5 MK1, 1.8
F10 M5 - 600bhp Daily Hack
Range Rover Sport - Wife's Car
Mercedes A class - Son's Car
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tomprescott
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 06:51 PM |
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Probs a mk1 mr2 or a mk2 golf. Maybe a classic mini?
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StevieB
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 07:37 PM |
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MX5 - brilliant handling, rear wheel drive and about as fast as any standard road saloon in the engine size class
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matty h
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 07:42 PM |
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205 GTI gets my vote always some on e bay with full cages.
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lsdweb
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 08:13 PM |
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Saxo - a month ago you could have had mine! here
And quicker than standard MX5s every time :-)
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 08:21 PM |
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Clio 172
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morcus
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 08:28 PM |
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Your probably better off buying a bigger car as you'll get more for your money (New drivers want cheap small cars which puts the prices up). I
would be looking at things like BMW 325s and Merc 190's and C classes.
That said, my old 205 was the best handling car I've ever driven and I found it easy to know precisly where it was and what it was doing, I also
think the 205 shape still looks good (In 3 door form) with it's coupé inspired look.
A third option, SAAB 9000 or 900. Get one of the bigger engines and strip them out and you'll have the performance and I'm told they are
well poised as shown here
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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boggle
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 08:34 PM |
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subaru impreza or pug 205 1.6 gti
just because you are a character, doesnt mean you have character....
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 09:11 PM |
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For sprinting and hillclimbing I would think a well sorted 205 would wee all over a 3 series. The MR2 is quick but the handling can be tricky
especially in the wet, early mark 2s can be a right handful (I know, I had one). Go for a 205.
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dzine
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 11:34 PM |
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1990-1992 Honda Civic SiR. 1.6, 160hp. Will out perform everything mentioned and be very reliable.
[Edited on 24/1/10 by dzine]
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hobbsy
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 11:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by PAUL FISHER
Clio 172
For <£1k? I know they are fairly cheap but I didn't think that cheap?
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 24/1/10 at 11:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dzine
1990-1992 Honda Civic SiR. 1.6, 160hp. Will out perform everything mentioned and be very reliable.
[Edited on 24/1/10 by dzine]
Define perform (not knocking the Civic, I've got one, it's my daily commuter), Civic's a fine handling car but I would have thought
a 205 was better, much better actually. Many sprint courses are more about handling than out and out power (obviously both would be nice), all things
considered I'd go for the 205 but the Civic is a good shout.
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 25/1/10 at 12:42 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by hobbsy
quote:
Originally posted by PAUL FISHER
Clio 172
For <£1k? I know they are fairly cheap but I didn't think that cheap?
Ive seen a few early 172 's go for around the £1000 mark,I only paid £1500 for mine back in september 2008.
The good thing with the 172's they are quick hot hatch standard.
Strip it out,decat the exhaust and fit a induction kit and you have got a 180+bhp little flying machine.
There's nothing wrong with the 205 gti's,but most of them are around 20 to 25 years old now,I looked at one which was rusting around the
rear suspension mounts,and the rear of the sills,that put me off a bit,also the 1.6 gti's are only 115bhp,you need to get a 1.9gti to get up to
130bhp,and then fit another engine,a 16valve motor to get you upto 160bhp,then TB's to get you up to 180bhp.
What my advise would be though for him,whatever car he buys,is to spend a bit more than a £1000,buy a car thats already been built for hill climbs
sprints or trackdays,with all the cage, seats,suspension,brakes etc already fitted,as buying the correct parts,and getting it set up can be quite
expensive,and often overlooked.
[Edited on 19/05/04 by PAUL FISHER]
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morcus
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| posted on 25/1/10 at 03:08 AM |
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I was under the impression that the 1.6 GTi was the one to go for because of the extra weight of the 1.9.
As someone said earlier, Hill Climbs are about handling more than power so you should try and test all the different options out to see how they
handle for you.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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T66
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| posted on 25/1/10 at 06:25 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by morcus
A third option, SAAB 9000 or 900. Get one of the bigger engines and strip them out and you'll have the performance and I'm told they are
well poised as shown here
Saab 900 Turbo -
Swap software in the 185bhp version it becomes 230.
Heavy car so once stripped out will fly, already has big brakes so fit green stuff pads.
Suffers from wallow/roll - lowering springs, gas dampers & decent rear anti roll bar.
The T5 engine with a decent downpipe & turbo will run happily to 450bhp on the stock rods & crank.
And my final Saab point - you will probably have the only Saab hillclimber in the UK.
Different is good !
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JimSpencer
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| posted on 25/1/10 at 01:13 PM |
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Hmm
Well assuming you're going to keep it fairly standard (ish) then it'll be in Standard Saloon & sportscars class
So to get the best out of the class engine capacity splits it'll need to be just under 1.4L, or just under 2L, or something really pokey if
going in the over 2L class 
For me perhaps a 106 (GSi?) would be a good bet or isn't the Suzuki Swift Gti a 1.3?, or as a real off the wall idea how about a Daihatsu
Charade GTi (the 1L turbo one) as that, at a 1.4 multiplier for the turbo, could be really entertaining in it's class..
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iank
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| posted on 25/1/10 at 02:07 PM |
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Off the wall thinking (and it if it works it will probably get banned/reclassed)
Diesels get a multiplier of 0.5
Turbos a multiplier of 1.4
Therefore a turbo diesel has a multiplier of 0.7
So a 1.9 or 2.0 turbo diesel goes into the 1.4 class. Worth thinking about as with a remap they can put out 150-200bhp.
--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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phelpsa
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| posted on 25/1/10 at 04:13 PM |
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Have a look here...
http://www.hillclimbandsprint.co.uk/results.asp?Year=2009
205s and 106 Rallye / 1.4 XSis are usually competitive and cost very little to buy / maintain.
What you don't pay to buy a 3 series etc you will pay when you you want to be competitive or you crash it!
I've been competing in the HSA Champ in a 205 for the past couple of seasons and beaten quite a lot of 'better' machinery. Michael
Andrews has done extremely well in his first season in a standardish 106 rallye, beating class records pretty much everywhere he went!
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ettore bugatti
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| posted on 25/1/10 at 04:46 PM |
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Two different ideas:
A Volvo 480 Turbo? Quick and cheap. The electronics are weak, but the mechanicals are good.
For a Nissan Micra k11 there is a lot of goodies avaible so that might be a nice toy car.
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