fesycresy
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 08:59 AM |
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Caught Speeding - but no white lines ??
Don't know if I have another 3 points heading my way or not 
I drove through a static camera trap, but there were no speed signs (as I could see) and the road had just been laid with no grid lines on my side of
the road.
I saw the double flash, I was doing about 38mph, I though it was a 40 and saw the bloody camera 50 yards off
Do the absence of these lines make a difference ?
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55ant
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 09:03 AM |
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would have thought so.
nothing for them to measure your speed against, although im sure they could figure it out, but i would have thought it would be very difficult for
them to prove.
[Edited on 2/4/10 by 55ant]
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eddie99
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 09:04 AM |
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It depends on the type of camera im afraid!
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eddie99
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 09:05 AM |
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Im guessing that if its the same old camera that use to have white lines. Its been retarmacked. you'll get away with it but unlikely.
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russbost
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 09:06 AM |
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If it was a static cam using the white lines you'll probs get away with it - if it was a mobile unit then you're nicked!
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fesycresy
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 09:10 AM |
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It was static.
There were lines on the other side, but not mine.
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Steve Hignett
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 09:14 AM |
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I'd lock you up with Bubba, and put the lube just out of reach..........
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loggyboy
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 09:15 AM |
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If the white lines on the otherside can be used to track your distance traveled then they can use them. if they werent visible from the cameras
position then you should get away with it.
I got flashed once and even with white lines I argued that the distance I traveled in the 0.7 sec between the flash meant i was doing 34 not 37 that
they had stated, which was under the ACPO guidelines for speeding. I didnt hear anything after that.
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Litemoth
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 09:24 AM |
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Take photos of the location before they white line it.....I did 38 in a 40 zone but the speed limit had been temporarily been dropped to 30 because of
roadworks some distance away. The repeater signs on the lamp posts were still showing 40. They painted them grey a few days later
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DRC INDY 7
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 10:23 AM |
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Q: What are the ACPO guidelines for speeding prosecutions?
A: These guidelines set out the minimum figures at which a Fixed Penalty Notice and a Court Summons would normally be considered appropriate for a
speeding offence, if there are no other aggravating circumstances. The minimum figure for a FPN is the posted limit + 10% + 2 mph. These figures are
shown in the table below:
The ACPO Speed Enforcement Guidelines
Speed Limit (mph) Fixed Penalty Summons
speed limit fpn summons
20 25 35
30 35 50
40 46 66
50 57 76
60 68 86
70 79 96
The full details can be found on the ACPO website.
Bear in mind that exceeding a speed limit by any amount whatsoever is an absolute offence, and a police officer is fully entitled to charge a driver
for doing, say, 31 in a 30 limit outside a school at closing time, or in a busy High Street.
However, since a speed camera or Talivan is unable to make any judgment as to aggravating circumstances, automated FPNs issued by these means should
not normally fall below the Fixed Penalty level set by the formula. In the past, many Gatsos had thresholds set much higher - in the Metropolitan
Police area they were originally set at 43 mph in 30 limits - but in recent years most have been brought down to the minimum ACPO figures. However, I
have yet to see a case where someone has received an FPN from a camera or Talivan for a speed below these guidelines - although obviously this can be
done by a police officer in person.
Given that most car speedometers overread by up to 10%, if you drive past a speed camera at up to an indicated 5 mph above the posted limit, you will
normally be OK. On the motorway, an indicated 80 mph should not cause any problems.
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eddie99
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 10:25 AM |
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Yeah also, my mum's fiat 500 at the real 30mph, will be reading 37. So if your car overeads you might get away with it. Wait till you get a
letter before you do anything else 
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craig1410
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 10:27 AM |
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You should be okay I think. See this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatso
It says: "Gatso installations in the UK and in Queensland, Australia are characterised by a measurement strip on the road surface, which is a
series of white lines painted on the road, which are used with two photographs taken by the camera. If the camera is set to take two photographs, with
a known time interval between them, this time interval will be 0.5 or 0.7 seconds - 0.5 is better for high speed roads and 0.7 better for low speed
roads. The vehicle's position, relative to the white road markings in the two photographs, can be used to calculate the vehicle speed. In the
UK, the evidence is only admissible in court if the speed measured by the radar and the speed calculated from the distance travelled between the
photographs agrees within 10%. The speed indicated by the radar unit is too unreliable to be used as the sole means of evidence as it is prone to
error due to multiple reflections etc. Further, it does not distinguish between multiple vehicles in shot.
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fesycresy
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 10:43 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Hignett
I'd lock you up with Bubba, and put the lube just out of reach..........
Poor Bubba, hope his ar$e is easier to smash in than the wifes 
I'll get down there tomorrow and take a piccy just in case. I bet the police are a whizz with photoshop.
But surely the camera has already done that
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blakep82
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 11:20 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by fesycresy
Poor Bubba, hope his ar$e is easier to smash in than the wifes
I'll get down there tomorrow and take a piccy just in case.
what for? comparison? lol 
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mad4x4
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 12:08 PM |
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Request a copy of the GATSO picture's
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
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MikeR
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 01:45 PM |
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i don't know if the rules have changed but you had to go to court to get that when i was caught 10 years ago.
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l0rd
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 03:29 PM |
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and do not forget to take a witness as well with you and make him stand in the photo probably.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 05:40 PM |
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Did it flash as you drove towards it, or as you passed it? Gatsos are only type approved for rear facing operation (due to the bright flash), though
I've seen many set of by cars approaching them.
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:{THC}:YosamiteSam
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 06:40 PM |
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if it was a 30 limit
giving the car speedo will more than likely be reading over by around 10% so you could read 33mph on the speedo and be doing 30
so if you saw 38 on the speedo you were probably doing 34.2mph
the 10% over the limit is 33mph
you were 1.2 over the allowance
maybe lucky - maybe not
on the speedo accuracy thing - the cars made new are checked at 40mph on a rolling road - thats the rolling road is calibrated to 40mph - there is a
tolerance of variation either side of that for the car to be legal (which i cannot divulge in public).
the speedo reading is set higher slightly for a couple of reasons - emission 'improvement'
and to help with drivers going over the limit by a tad! so if you see your doing in a 30 limit on the speedo 32mph - your probably doing around
29ish.. clever idea not many people realise..
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DRC INDY 7
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 06:45 PM |
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Its 10% plus 2 mph
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iank
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| posted on 2/4/10 at 07:24 PM |
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I got the pictures on request from a Talivan as I needed them to know who was driving (two of us drive the cars that route that day within 0.5 hours
of each other).
It wasn't me
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