James
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| posted on 14/11/10 at 05:59 PM |
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Originally posted by craig1410
Ah, the Alonso haters are in full flow I see... 
Firstly, well done to Red Bull who clearly had the fastest car all year long. It's a shame McLaren couldn't challenge them a bit more than
they did even with the two most recent WDC's at their disposal. Must be disappointing for a team with probably the best technical resource in
the paddock.
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Vettel has done a great job in terms of pure speed but in my opinion Mark deserved the WDC more and I feel really sorry for him. It would be nice to
see a driver overcoming obvious team prejudice for a change. I used to like Vettel but I've completely gone off him this year due to some of his
antics and arrogance. Unlike those blinded by hatred for Alonso though, I still have respect for him as a drivers which is what should be important in
F1 racing. This isn't a popularity contest and 'nice guys' often come last! Hamilton is regaining some of my respect as he is
maturing and perhaps Vettel will too in time. The only thing which is bugging me these days with Hamilton is his incessant whining about his tyres. He
is clearly spending too much time with Button! He should just shut up and get on and drive the car in my opinion. He is also very quick to blame his
car or his team unlike Alonso who refused to blame Ferrari at the end of this race even though EJ and DC seemed to think it was a clear strategy
failure from Ferrari. See http://planet-f1.com/news/3213/6506804/Alonso-Refuses-To-Blame-Ferrari
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One final thing which I've said before. Do we really want emotionless automatons in F1 or do we want people to get upset and throw tantrums or
helmets? Do we not want rivalries between drivers a la Prost/Senna? Do we not want to see drivers physically exhausted and crying on the podium? Do we
not want straight talking aussie's telling it like it is? Personally, I want this sort of drama and people like Alonso who have something called
"a personality" make F1 interesting. Long may it continue!
Looking forward to next year already!
[Edited on 14/11/2010 by craig1410]
An excellently argued post and I'm in full agreement in many ways.
It is a shame Mclaren werent a bit faster this (and other!) years when they have such massive resources (although I believe their budget is about the
same as Ferrari's. It used to be Toyota (or was it Honda?) followed by Ferrari then Mclaren with the biggest budgets IIRC.
It *is* weird that Mclaren can continually be 'almost there' but never quite getting that last 1% or 2% that's needed to finish it
off, get the job done and get the win. It's something I've said for years about British (or English) sport in general. We just don't
quite have the killer instinct/spirit needed to win. We're always very good, and end up very close... but never quite manage it. Whether this
is caused by our 'put down the winner' mentality I don't know.
It would have been nice to see Webber win, especially against team prejudice, and I wanted him to, but would it have been right to class him as the
'best driver of 2010'? I don't know. He's really not in the 3 top drivers is he! Just cos he's a nice bloke, does that
mean he should be WDC? I don't know!
Gotta agree, I've been surprised by Hamilton complaining about the car... he did it less last year when in a much worse car IIRC... shame
really! 
Agreed! We don't want emotionless automatons!!! A bit of spirit would be great. I'd happily watch them ramming into each others cars and
maybe beating the crap out of each other after/during/before a race- would be wicked!  More drama the better! Seeing a James Hunt type rolling up
the to race, sweating vodka and with a bird or 2 on each arm would be brilliant... but sadly those days are gone as someone like that just isn't
going to win many races. The professional is far more likely to get a drive as they can be relied upon by the team! Shame really!
Only 16 weeks will 2011 season starts... and 20 races for 2011 as well! I'm sure it'll be 20x 1-2 for Mclaren with Lewis taking the WDC
at the last race!
Cheers,
James
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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craig1410
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| posted on 14/11/10 at 06:25 PM |
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Hi James,
Thanks for your kind words - it doesn't surprise me that we agree on many aspects of F1 because I think we are F1 fans in the true sense and
both recognise that although drivers come and go and teams rise an fall, F1 keep going, and changing.
It's interesting to hear your comments on McLaren not quite rising to meet the promise of their potential and your comments about British
sportsmen perhaps not having the same spirit as other nations. I agree with this completely and actually I think this was also a considerable factor
behind Alonso not gelling within McLaren. We have seen some insight into the McLaren technology centre with David Coulthard and Jenson Button and I
have to say, it looks like a completely soul-less place! It is very shiny and impressive in one sense but it lacks any sense of history or passion. It
is too clinical in my view.
Contrast this with Maranello where history and passion oozes from every corner of the factory. I think that being an emotional spaniard with latin
temperament, Alonso will feel far more at home in Ferrari than he ever would in McLaren. I think that even on a bad day when tempers are raised, the
Italians in Ferrari will be better equipped to understand and handle the emotions of Alonso when they need to. I don't think that Ron Dennis was
so well equipped to handle this with his almost OCD approach to team management and this was probably the catalyst for the split.
Next year will be fascinating with the adjustable rear wings and KERS back in play. I just wish they would bring back refuelling too to make the races
more interesting. Hopefully the rear wing and KERS will permit overtaking but if not then races like Abu Dhabi will be as frustrating as they we saw
today. Regardless of the result I felt that the race today was an anti-climax. I wanted to see Hamilton fighting Vettel and Alonso fighting Webber. I
didn't want to see mid-field runners getting in the way like they did. Of course those who don't fully understand F1 will say that
Hamilton and Alonso should have found a way past if they are so good but as you know, this is far from easy on a track like Abu Dhabi with the current
cars. Clearly if Hamilton and Alonso can't overtake a Renault when the WDC is directly at stake then I think we can safely assume that it is
simply not possible. From my own experience, it's hard enough to overtake cleanly on a go-kart track with no aero issues to deal with!
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 14/11/10 at 07:20 PM |
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a boring race......
i have to say it would have been much better , if all the pratoganists were racing each other and not stuck behind mid table cars .
i can sympathise with alonso getting frustrated stuck behind petrov , and lewis behind kubica , deprived us all of some real pressure being applied up
front .
cant say im fussed with vettel winning , hes made mistakes like everybody else this season , i suppose if webber didnt bin it in korea hed probably be
world champion .
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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ahunt
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| posted on 14/11/10 at 10:17 PM |
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Also Alonso wouldnt of been so close if he didnt have "team orders" in germany. A great season all in all though looking foward to the
next. Doing silverstone and driving to SPA next year in the old MGB Should be good!
Car 90% complete!!!
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 14/11/10 at 11:45 PM |
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Got to give it to you Craig you're certainly consistent in supporting your man.
Didn't like Alonso's arm waving at Petrov no matter what his frustration, Ferrari messed up today that's not Petrov's fault or
problem, lacked a bit of class IMO. It's a shame in many ways that he rubs so many people up the wrong way because not many people question his
ability, he has dragged that Ferrari into contention when probably it wasn't good enough this year but he won't have won over anybody with
that arm waving stuff today.
Like many I would have liked to see Webber win the title today but to be honest he's probably no better than 6th best, certainly behind Alonso,
Hamilton Kubica, Button, probably Sutil, so maybe I wanted the 6th best driver to win the WDC?
Did the right bloke win, probably (just), would he have been my choice, no not really although he did seem to be genuinely emotional when he realised
he'd done it, that's good in my book.
[Edited on 14/11/10 by norfolkluego]
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craig1410
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| posted on 15/11/10 at 12:04 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by norfolkluego
Got to give it to you Craig you're certainly consistent in supporting your man.
Didn't like Alonso's arm waving at Petrov no matter what his frustration, Ferrari messed up today that's not Petrov's fault or
problem, lacked a bit of class IMO. It's a shame in many ways that he rubs so many people up the wrong way because not many people question his
ability, he has dragged that Ferrari into contention when probably it wasn't good enough this year but he won't have won over anybody with
that arm waving stuff today.
Like many I would have liked to see Webber win the title today but to be honest he's probably no better than 6th best, certainly behind Alonso,
Hamilton Kubica, Button, probably Sutil, so maybe I wanted the 6th best driver to win the WDC?
Did the right bloke win, probably (just), would he have been my choice, no not really although he did seem to be genuinely emotional when he realised
he'd done it, that's good in my book.
[Edited on 14/11/10 by norfolkluego]
Thanks mate, I've supported him every since his first stint at Renault and stuck with him through thick and thin.
I get a bit of stick about supporting him but I'm not about to let that bother me! I suppose he reminds me a bit of myself in many ways and I
think, if I had had the opportunity to be a racing driver, I would be very much like him. I also sometimes rub certain types of people up the wrong
way and yet I get on really well with other types of people. I'm very much an independent "individual" and get on very well with
other "individuals" but don't tend to get on so well with people who are part of a group or clique. I'm also fiercely
competitive and will virtually kill myself trying to win at any sport I take part in (mainly Squash, Tennis, Racketball, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and
Karting). I also have difficulty shutting my mouth when someone says something that I disagree with... Maybe you guys have noticed!!
Anyway, I think we should respect all the F1 drivers. They have worked hard to get where they are today and their personality was a big part of the
ingredients which got them there. They operate in a high pressure environment and are under the spotlight most of the time which tends to highlight
the worst in them without recognising the best in them. If any one of us 'normal folk' were put under the same spotlight I suspect we
would come in for much greater criticism than the likes of Alonso or Hamilton.
There's always room for respect, even amongst mortal enemies!
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RK
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| posted on 15/11/10 at 12:12 AM |
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They are all whiny brats who want to win. It is remarkable that they appear as likeable as they do sometimes, with all the attention they get. I
thought it was a great race, with more possible outcomes than any in recent memory.
I still think Alonso is the best pure racing driver out there, but he didn't put enough points up to win. We don't have to like him as a
public personality to see that.
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 15/11/10 at 12:24 AM |
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Originally posted by RK
They are all whiny brats who want to win. It is remarkable that they appear as likeable as they do sometimes, with all the attention they get. I
thought it was a great race, with more possible outcomes than any in recent memory.
I still think Alonso is the best pure racing driver out there but he didn't put enough points up to win. We don't have to like him as a
public personality to see that.
Nearly agree with that, Hamilton and Alonso, both pure racers (as is Webber IMO, the other two are just better at it), , probably already cost both of
them world champiomships, In my opinion, put everybody in the same car and they're head and shoulders above the rest, can't resist an
overtake.
Stick 'em in the same team, ooh hang on a bit
[Edited on 15/11/10 by norfolkluego]
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bmseven
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| posted on 15/11/10 at 12:09 PM |
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Boring F1 circus
Give me WRC or Moto GP anyday
BMW 7 Resource
Bures Pit anyone?
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