morcus
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| posted on 22/6/11 at 10:45 PM |
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Hypothetical 205 modernisation.
I saw a really nice yellow 205 on my way to work the other day which got me all nostalgic about my old 205. I loved the way that car looked and how it
handled but the gearbox had problems as did some of the electrics so I had some ideas. I don't have the time or funds to actually do it but my
thoughts were transplanting a modern engine and semi auto box like the 1.4TSI and DSG from the new golfs, how feasible would something like this be
and anyone care to estimate what a project like this would cost. Ideally, I'd also upgrade pretty much everything like brakes and suspension and
some slight interior modification but I'd want the outside to look like a just out the factory late 80's early 90's model with the
black plastic fittings, and bolt on wheel trims.
As I say, this is just a dream at the moment but I'd like to learn more so anyone who can point me in the right direction to learn about this
stuff would be greatly apprieciated, also any other modernising ideas would be fun aswell.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 22/6/11 at 11:14 PM |
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Personally I'd be looking at a 1.6 for extra awesomeness, but either way. I would, however, say that if the car is in mint or near mint
condition then leave it.
I've been having similar ideas with missus's 106 involving a fireblade/ninja/similar engine, some smart alloys (hiding bigger brakes) and
a bit of trickery including a clutch control on the gearlever. Then going to the insurers saying I've swapped the 1.1 engine for a 900 
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morcus
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| posted on 22/6/11 at 11:45 PM |
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But the 1.4 would mean cheaper tax (I know the cost of such a project would make that irrelevent). TBH the body on my 205 was a little shabby but it
had pretty much no rust and was the right shape and everything (And still had the jack Shrink wrapped and where it came from the factory after 20
years).
I hadn't thought of that aspect regarding wheels, Though the 205 had bigger wheels than the 106 (Mine did anyways).
I did think about getting a Gentry (Which is part of how this came up) as they have the 1.9 engine twinned with the auto box and up rated bit and a
leather interior but they go for about £3k and would need propperly looking after (Specialist servicing) to maintain their value. That and having had
the Panda for two years, I love the robotised 'box.
I had a quick look around online and selespeed alfas are up for less than £1k, and they have bigger engines.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 23/6/11 at 12:00 AM |
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Well my whole point of the alloys were because the current spec is the poverty 155/55/13 steelies with different trims on either side. If I was
dropping 150-200 bhp of bike engine in there I'm going to want way more stopping power than it currently has (it currently stops, ish, and if I
slam on it's joined with the GRRRRR of my boot catching the accelerator too)
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balidey
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| posted on 23/6/11 at 06:44 AM |
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There was a company a few years ago selling 'as new' 205 GTI's. I think it was Ernie Larton. Basically he was buying up old
GTI's and renewing all mechanical parts and from what I read at the time, they were bloody good. Incredibly expensive, but good.
I've had a few 205 GTI's and would love another, but to be honest, I wouldn't want anything but a GTI how it was. Same engine, same
running gear, just need a bit of TLC. Don't see many about now, but when I do see one it always makes me smile.
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FASTdan
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| posted on 23/6/11 at 06:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by morcus
I did think about getting a Gentry (Which is part of how this came up) as they have the 1.9 engine twinned with the auto box and up rated bit and a
leather interior but they go for about £3k and would need propperly looking after (Specialist servicing) to maintain their value. That and having had
the Panda for two years, I love the robotised 'box.
I know where there's a nice clean gentry for sale if you are interested - dont think he'll want 3k for it either.
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nick205
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| posted on 23/6/11 at 08:37 AM |
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Like the 1.4 TSI/DSG idea in a nice low key 205 GT model, could be good.
Same as Owelly for me though it would have to be another (had several) GTI for me in original spec with selective mods; e.g. some R888's,
throttle bodies (if only to do away with the less than perfect flappy AFM) and a decent se tof seats.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 23/6/11 at 01:45 PM |
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Only problem I'd have with having a 205 again is how they cope with a crash. Mine was great fun, but in a 30mph frontal impact it left me and a
passenger with severe whiplash and back pains some 8 years later. Was a fun car though, especially when the trailing arm bearings failed and it
oversteered virtually every corner
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morcus
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| posted on 23/6/11 at 04:20 PM |
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Would better seats prevent whiplash? I took a driving test in mine and the examiner said the headrest position would have killed me in a crash (It was
stuck, after that test I got it unstuck and up to the right height.) TBH, how much attention do people on here pay to how safe a car is when buying
for themselves?
I am kinda intrested in a gentry but I'm not in a position to buy (Current car has outstanding finance and some €&#~ but a dent in it so it
needs fixing before I could sell it), is it advertised anywhere Online because I can only find two for sale, and they're nice to look at. The
best looking one online is up for £1850 on car and classic.
I'd love a real GTi but it's not really an option as I've only ever seen one with an auto box and I don't think that was a
real GTi anyway. I've got a Euromillions ticket, If I win that I'll make myself a couple of 205 TSi DSG's one normal one
convertible, if they work I'll set up my own company.
another line of though, would a mid engined 205 work or would it be to difficult to drive?
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ritchunt
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| posted on 23/6/11 at 07:10 PM |
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Dont faff on just put a 406 turbo engine in you can buy a full car for about £400 weigh the shell in and get sum beer money back lol they pretty much
go straight in with a few other peugeot borrowed bits the only fabrication is the down pipe but they run 150 bhp standard at 0.5 bar and get good
mpg, crank up the boost to 1 bar and you get 180-190bhp and a proper little rocket for buttons ive done a couple iv just fitted one recently to my
rallycross 205 if you do a searchon the net its a very popular conversion
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morcus
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| posted on 23/6/11 at 07:42 PM |
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Had a quick look, and it's got my brain going as it's a much more realistic project.
only problem is, sourcing an autobox.
[Edited on 23/6/11 by morcus]
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Simon
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| posted on 24/6/11 at 03:11 PM |
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I'd chuck in Peugeot's 2l hdi136bhp lump. Nearly same bhp, but stacks more torque, then chip it
ATB
Simon
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van cleef
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| posted on 24/6/11 at 07:45 PM |
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i have one of those 2l turbo engine's in my garage now surplus after seeling my Miami 309 gti to make room for the Toniq.
What about TU engined 205 and changing the engine for a slightly more modern 106 gti lump which is pretty tuneable.
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morcus
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| posted on 26/6/11 at 06:34 AM |
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This started as a hypothetical but some of the ideas given have me thinking this might be something worth doing when it come time to swap the car. I
spoke to my Dad and he had a 206 with a 2l diesel and reckened it would really fly in the lighter 205.
If I swapped in a 406 engine, which car's gearbox would I want (I'm assumeing the one from the large engine) if so would I want the
selector of from it aswell or would I be better to source a 205 auto selectot as they look to be very different in terms of size.
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damien
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| posted on 26/6/11 at 08:36 AM |
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i would go for the 306 auto cab 16v. its the same engine as the 306 xsi, an auto as you want also afew small mods can up the power to gti6 level, if
your feeling brave youve always got the off the shelf supercharger coverstion.
Topaz gti6-tb 205 Gti (ph1.5)
Sigma 2.0 8v 306 XSI (ph1)
Provence 1.9 8v dturbo (ph2)
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FASTdan
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| posted on 26/6/11 at 08:52 AM |
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A good topic once again spoilt with the 'D' word!
205gti is a legend if a hot hatch, installing anything remotely oil burning would be sacrilege.
I suspect the gentry I am talking about will be on car and classic - but if u were interested I'm sure u could get a much better than advertised
price - as its been a thorn in his side that car.
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ritchunt
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| posted on 30/6/11 at 01:06 PM |
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If you fancey a cherry burner a 2.1 turbo d would be the way forward there are only a few kicking around with the mechanical pumps on but you can get
them to move, have a quick look on youtube theres a 205 maxi van with one in giving a wrx a good run for its money
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 30/6/11 at 03:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Only problem I'd have with having a 205 again is how they cope with a crash. Mine was great fun, but in a 30mph frontal impact it left me and a
passenger with severe whiplash and back pains some 8 years later. Was a fun car though, especially when the trailing arm bearings failed and it
oversteered virtually every corner
You'd probably get whiplash even in a modern car - in fact the relative weakness of the 205 would actually help in this respect. A high speed
shunt is much more likely to end in serious injury or worse however - a roll cage and full harnesses would help and stiffens up the rather bendy shell
quite nicely, but doesn't make for a very practical road car.
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nick205
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| posted on 30/6/11 at 04:13 PM |
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Referring back to this
thread.....http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=153105
I've changed my mind and would go a little further with my mods....
- Spaceframe chasis with integral full cage
- Mid mounted Hartley V8 Hayabusa based motor
- 4WD
- CF body shell
- Adjustable set-up for tarmac and rally
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morcus
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| posted on 1/7/11 at 04:42 PM |
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Is that what your aiming for in your next project?
If you swap and engine with AC into a car without, is it possible to get it working in the new car. Cooking myself in my own car was one of the
reasons I got rid of my last 205.
I've been searching for build diarys for the 406 to 205 swap but can't find any decent one's any one got any links?
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