Myke 2463
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| posted on 21/12/14 at 12:45 PM |
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Ford Dealers
Do independent ford Dealers have the same training and skills as main dealers, the area i am interested in is electrical diagnoses of injector
problems.
Be Lucky Mike.
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rdodger
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| posted on 21/12/14 at 12:55 PM |
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I hope better!
My local Ford dealer is a waste of space! Well that is unless you want new rear tyres when they are over 3.5mm! 
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beaver34
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| posted on 21/12/14 at 01:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Myke 2463
Do independent ford Dealers have the same training and skills as main dealers, the area i am interested in is electrical diagnoses of injector
problems.
dependant on dealership
whats the issue? if you need genuine parts i can help you save some cash
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joneh
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| posted on 21/12/14 at 02:02 PM |
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Hope so. Hendy Ford is awful. I once broke down on their forecourt and they asked me to bring it back the following Tuesday!
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Myke 2463
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| posted on 21/12/14 at 02:17 PM |
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approximately every 6 months the injectors need calibrating then work ok until the next time when they go into limp mode, fuel consumption is good and
runs ok.
The local independent dealer cant tell me if new injectors or the electronic injector control unit mounted in front of the engine is causing the
problem.
The car is an early 02 model. Not looking to change the car for at least 12 months.
Thanks for any advise,
Be Lucky Mike.
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prawnabie
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| posted on 21/12/14 at 02:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rdodger
I hope better!
My local Ford dealer is a waste of space! Well that is unless you want new rear tyres when they are over 3.5mm!
3.5mm is when wet stopping distances dramatically increase, so suggesting they need replacement at the depth you say isn't too far away,
especially as the next time they are inspected they will probably be well below the recommended.
BTW its ROSPA who recommend this depth not the dealers
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ian locostzx9rc2
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| posted on 22/12/14 at 08:34 AM |
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When it goes into limp home and they test it have all the injectors gone out of sync or just one if they have all gone out of sync then you would say
it's more likely to be the control unit this is a very common problem on fords and when you recode the system your recoding the control unit
not the injectors as there fixed code may be worth doing a leak off test on the injectors aswell.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 22/12/14 at 08:49 AM |
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what you need to find is a good independ - doesn't need to be a ford specialist - in my experience main fakes training just makes them into
glorified part fitting monkeys
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DW100
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| posted on 22/12/14 at 12:53 PM |
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Find an independent diesel fuel system specialist with the facilities to properly test the injectors and fuel pump. Facilities dealers won't
have.
Most Dealers struggle to retain decent staff. The companies are not owned by the manufacturer as many people seen to think but a franchise run by
accountants and are only worried about the bottom line. Techs are under pressure to hit targets (both time and sales) and as training costs money the
accountants don't really want to pay for it unless absolutely necessary. Most of the good techs get fed up, leave and start up on their own.
Don't know what codes you are getting but if it is something like "Cylinder ? above knock threshold", it means the injectors are
worn out of tolerance. Sometimes if you re-enter the calibration code it take a while for the ECU to work out the injector is out of tolerance and
throw a wobbly again. These do have known problems with high pressure pumps failing and swarf moving round the system and jamming injectors too.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 22/12/14 at 01:51 PM |
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Try finding a local garage who has one of these;
ASNU Diagnostiscs Machine
Great bit of kit and can even ultrasonically clean the injectors. I've had superb service from my local service centre.
Phil
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Myke 2463
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| posted on 22/12/14 at 02:03 PM |
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Thanks for all advice. just 1 injector normally No. 4 once started runs on all 4 smoothly in limp but gutless. as for the technicians ( lol ) the
follow the instructions on the laptop. will ask around for somebody with good reputation.
Merry Christmas.
Be Lucky Mike.
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DW100
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| posted on 22/12/14 at 02:12 PM |
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quote:
Try finding a local garage who has one of these;
ASNU Diagnostiscs Machine
Great bit of kit and can even ultrasonically clean the injectors. I've had superb service from my local service centre.
The ASNU machine is just for petrol injectors. It works at 3-4 Bar pressure, not the 1500-2000 Bar needed for a common rail diesel. For that you need
a machine that costs about £250,000 that's why only diesel specialists will have one.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 22/12/14 at 03:18 PM |
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I don't recall any specific mention of diesel injectors but even so, the ASNU machine is also capable of testing GDI..............
Here
Phil
[Edited on 22-12-14 by Hellfire]
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DW100
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| posted on 22/12/14 at 05:03 PM |
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Sorry no intention to offend. 
The diesel was inferred by the fact that the OP said the injectors needed calibrating. This is a calibration code that is produced by a test machine
when common rail injectors are manufactured. It tells the ECU what quantity of fuel the injector will dispense as varying rpm, all down to
manufacturing tolerances.
Every now and then when the car is operating in the right conditions the ECU will test the reaction speed of the injectors by purposely over fuelling
to produce knock. It times from command to knock and if outside tolerance will flag a code and go into limp mode. By re-imputing the calibration code
the ECU goes back to standard fuelling until it gets to the conditions to run a test again and re-flagging the code.
The petrol mondeos of that age have no calibration for petrol injectors.
[Edited on 22/12/14 by DW100]
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adithorp
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| posted on 22/12/14 at 05:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
...the ASNU machine is also capable of testing GDI..............
Here
Phil
[Edited on 22-12-14 by Hellfire]
GDI is still petrol (Gasolene Direct Injection) as used by Mitsi' and lower presure than common rail diesels.
I'd agree with DW, that it's probably an injector on it's way out and recalibrating is only a temporary fix/bodge.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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ian locostzx9rc2
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| posted on 22/12/14 at 06:07 PM |
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Faulty injector would be favourite leak off test would be well worth doing.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 23/12/14 at 10:24 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DW100
Sorry no intention to offend.
Not offence caused, no apology required 
I was wrong.
Phil
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