Simon
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| posted on 24/5/19 at 07:23 PM |
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Buying a car with no ID - plates or VIN
Peeps,
I've seen an old car that I'm tempted with but seller says it has no ID (ie plates/vin etc) which has put me off completely.
He's talking about q plates as a way around it but that's a no-no (on a classic) in my book. Wouldn't it also need an IVA of
sorts?
Anyway, thoughts please though I'm 99.99999% against it atm especially as "pukka" cars aren't much more.
Cheers
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gremlin1234
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| posted on 24/5/19 at 07:39 PM |
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short answer:
simply walk away
long answer:
why does it have no ID?
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Simon
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| posted on 24/5/19 at 08:25 PM |
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No idea though he says he's had it for 35 years ……
I was quite keen till he mentioned that it had no id etc 
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CosKev3
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| posted on 24/5/19 at 09:47 PM |
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It's either stolen,or the ID has gone on a stolen car
No chassis number on a production car would mean it's been cut out,or ground off?
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 24/5/19 at 10:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by CosKev3
It's either stolen,or the ID has gone on a stolen car
No chassis number on a production car would mean it's been cut out,or ground off?
Not at all.Remember cars prior to 74 (or is it 72, or some other date) do not have to have a commission plate or chassis number.
Even then commission numbers were usually pop riveted on, and often removed during bodywork, and subsequently lost. I have had several cars where I
have bought blank plates and stamped them, all quite legal.
However, proving the age of the vehicle can be difficult, though the DVLA recognised clubs can offer assistance in dating a car, and DVLA will issue
an age related plate. So if the car was (say) a mk3 spitfire, the club will inspect in person, determine what year the car was made from features etc,
and that is enough. This is not uncommon.
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CosKev3
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| posted on 25/5/19 at 08:28 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
quote:
Originally posted by CosKev3
It's either stolen,or the ID has gone on a stolen car
No chassis number on a production car would mean it's been cut out,or ground off?
Not at all.Remember cars prior to 74 (or is it 72, or some other date) do not have to have a commission plate or chassis number.
Even then commission numbers were usually pop riveted on, and often removed during bodywork, and subsequently lost. I have had several cars where I
have bought blank plates and stamped them, all quite legal.
However, proving the age of the vehicle can be difficult, though the DVLA recognised clubs can offer assistance in dating a car, and DVLA will issue
an age related plate. So if the car was (say) a mk3 spitfire, the club will inspect in person, determine what year the car was made from features etc,
and that is enough. This is not uncommon.
Yeah that's ok if its historic!
The OP said 'old',depends on what he classes as 'old' as 1980's cars are now nearly 40years old
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Simon
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| posted on 25/5/19 at 04:46 PM |
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It's a 1962 Morris Minor but I think I'd rather spend the extra on a car with some provenance
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gremlin1234
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| posted on 25/5/19 at 07:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon
It's a 1962 Morris Minor but I think I'd rather spend the extra on a car with some provenance
I guess it may have lost its number
plate (reg no) as a vanity/ageless plate. if you can get any (provable) id on it, you should be able to get it re-registered with an age related
plate.
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 26/5/19 at 06:19 AM |
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British motor heritage "may" be able to help from the engine number if that is still original. They can do a basic search for a few quid,
and if that works they can do a full certificate which is as good as it gets for proof of ID.
But if it is not worth the extra effort, there are probably plenty more out there.
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907
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| posted on 27/5/19 at 09:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon
It's a 1962 Morris Minor but I think I'd rather spend the extra on a car with some provenance
If it has no plates or VIN how do you know its a 1962 ?
Engines in those days were past their sell by date at 50k so no guarantee with engine numbers.
Genuine re-cons were painted gold and back street re-cons were often painted... er ... gold. 
Paul G
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nick205
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| posted on 29/5/19 at 09:18 AM |
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Personally I'd move on and look somewhere else. Something doesn't seem right about it to me and why involve yourself with the potential
hassle and expense of trying to resolve it with no certainty of doing so.
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