computid
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| posted on 18/6/23 at 06:04 PM |
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Identifying locking wheel nuts (lost key!)
Hi all,
I've recently picked up a Range Rover Sport for cheap in need of a little TLC. I've come to do the brakes and realised that the front two
wheels have locking wheel nuts, but I have no key! Looking at the Landrover ones it doesn't look like theres, so I've got no idea
what it is!
Without the tool it's going to be a nightmare to remove as it's down in the wheel and I can't get any purchase on it. It's also
bigger than most of the kits on offer, a 26mm socket just about goes over it, but not enough to get purchase.
Any thoughts of what this could be or how to get it out appreciated!
Thanks,
Adam
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obfripper
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| posted on 18/6/23 at 08:11 PM |
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They're the original type locking nuts, the domed part at the front is a hardened steel insert which is intended to stop you from knocking a
socket over and getting enough purchase to undo the nut.
If you have a welder, weld a large nut to the dome, and then use that to undo the locking nut. If you've not got a welder, the domed part is a
press fitted piece which can sometimes be removed by knocking a socket over and then using an extension bar to wriggle it free from the lower part of
the nut, then driving a large spline bit into the hole the domed part came from.
Another option is to identify the locking tool type (iirc there are a-z variants) and order it from a land-rover specialist like below:
https://www.lrparts.net/kbm500040-locking-wheel-nut-key-code-c-for-range-rover-l322-range-rover-sport-and-discovery-3-and-4.html
I have a few dealer locking nut sets, unfortunately no landrover ones to help here.
Dave
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Theshed
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| posted on 18/6/23 at 09:23 PM |
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This is mot something I would usually say but....pay Halfords or somebody similar to get the useless things off. Last year I replaced the discs on my
family Saab. It tool me 2 days to remove the wheels making up a special tool and using a carbide drill. Two days which I will never get back. Many
tyre centres are used to this and there is a range of special tools for getting locking nuts off. I made a nut through which I was able to drill three
holes and then insert hardened pins. The tools out there are variations on that theme. When you get the locking nuts off throw them away and take your
chances!
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 18/6/23 at 11:07 PM |
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Might one of those "fits anything sockets" full of spring loaded pins work?
Such as https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B087G6TGJL?SubscriptionId=AKIAIBX4MGJBG42TO3NQ although this one is likely too small.
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falcor75
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| posted on 19/6/23 at 07:10 AM |
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Drive it to a LR dealer and ask them to remove them for you, they're bound to have the right socket then just replace them with standard nuts.
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adithorp
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| posted on 19/6/23 at 09:25 AM |
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4 choices really...
1.Go to the LR dealers with the car and all the paperwork and see if they can identify it or have a master key set.
2. Go to an independent garage and see if they can remove it. We have about 10 different removal kits that work (sometimes) on different types of nut.
We're probably successful 95% of the time.
3.Try online. There are places online where you can send vehicle details and/or photos of the locking nut and they'll supply the right nut.
4.Try yourself with old sockets or welding a nut and hope you don't fail and butcher beyond any of the above methods... or butcher the wheel in
the attempt.
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Big T
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| posted on 19/6/23 at 09:27 AM |
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What size is the top of the locker head?
I bought a set of removal sockets just for removing locking wheel nuts. They've become a regularly used tool in my box. They also become really
handy for rounded bolts.
https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/5-piece-bolt-grip-set-expansion-set/
Thats a bit more than I paid but they're incredibly handy.
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nick205
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| posted on 19/6/23 at 02:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by obfripper
They're the original type locking nuts, the domed part at the front is a hardened steel insert which is intended to stop you from knocking a
socket over and getting enough purchase to undo the nut.
If you have a welder, weld a large nut to the dome, and then use that to undo the locking nut. If you've not got a welder, the domed part is a
press fitted piece which can sometimes be removed by knocking a socket over and then using an extension bar to wriggle it free from the lower part of
the nut, then driving a large spline bit into the hole the domed part came from.
Dave
Ditto - if you've got a welder that'll do it.
Last set I had to shift I MIG welded 19mm nuts to them and got them out no problem. Be careful welding - I held the outside of the nuts with vice
grips and welded inside the nut. Avoids welding damage to the alloy wheel. Make sure you get a good pool of weld.
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jacko
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| posted on 19/6/23 at 08:01 PM |
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If you have it look in the hand book someone may have wrote the key number in there
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computid
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| posted on 20/6/23 at 11:30 AM |
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Unfortunately I'm not able to drive the car as it's got some problems, a totally flat tyre and an unusable front brake being two of them
(hence the need to get the wheels off!) I also unfortunately don't have the handbook.
I tried an online Landrover wheel nut identification service, and they just refunded me!
Thanks for the advice so far. I'm going to go to a local indy and ask if they've got a set of keys I can borrow for some cash. Wish me luck!
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 20/6/23 at 12:02 PM |
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Are you sure you can't hammer on a socket? that's how I have removed them in the past and it was quicker than using the key and they looked
just like that. I just bought four dirt cheap long reach sockets (18mm as it happens) which was a loose fit and battered it on with a heavy hammer.
Then went to the scrap yard and got normal nuts.
[Edited on 20/6/23 by Mr Whippy]
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mgb281
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| posted on 22/6/23 at 09:34 AM |
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Use some one like this: https://www.lockingwheelnutkeys.co.uk/
Not sure which company that I have used, took two photos of the locking nut sent it to them, paid a few shillings and two days later had them in the
post. I have had replacement keys for three cars now and they were a perfect fit. It’s good to know that some thieving pikey can take photos of your
locking nuts and two days later come back and take your wheels without even scratching them  
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