Liam
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Why can't people drive?
Drove past this on the way to work yesterday and was pretty much expecting this. Basically they've all gone straight on at a t-junction unable
to stop. The thing is the approach is 1/3 mile arrow-straight and there's plenty of signage etc. Practically everyone using that road will be
local and aware of the junction. Leaving work the evening before it was snowing heavily and like an ice rink. Only a slow crawl was safe. The golf
was already in there as i went past! The other two obviously plopped in later.
Why oh why can't people take the conditions into account - it just beggars belief. I can just imagine them probably reaching their normal speed
on the approach, maybe thinking the steering feels a bit funny if they noticed anything at all, choosing their normal braking point, then oh sh*t.
BMW owner probably believed 4WD and being in an 'offroader' (albeit with huge wide summer tyres that may as well be skis) gives more grip.
Quite simply if you're capable of such poor judgement, you shouldn't be on the bloo*y road at all. In any conditions. Grrrrrr!
There's something about that junction and i just can't figure it out. There's a car in that ditch every month or two whatever the
conditions. Notice the flowers and photo on the sign post from a previous incident that ended much further into the field in normal conditions! Is
it the dead straight approach and good visibility of the junction that temps people into reaching a stupid speed that they somehow forget to slow down
from in time? I really dunno, just can't fathom how so many people get it wrong there.
Just thought I'd share the photo. Be careful out there of muppets like this.
Liam
 
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 01:20 PM |
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  yeah loads of incompetent drivers round here too with heavy feet
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 01:21 PM |
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We have three junctions like that round here in Fife. They always have wrecks in the fields.
theres two sharp right handers that claim a stack of stupids...
Just a perfect demonstration of Darwinism.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 01:26 PM |
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I got the other extreme this morning. 15 miles behind a landrover doing 20 - 25 miles an hour on gritted roads which whilst they weren't
perfectly clear, there was no ice as the temp was 1.5 degrees. he virtually stopped at the base of all the hills to engage low ratio I think.
Eventually got a clear bit of road and was able to overtake in my 2wd saloon. That guy took about 20 minutes of my life and I'll never get it
back 
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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balidey
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 01:28 PM |
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I am scared sh1tless of driving in this weather, not because of my ability or judgement, but the lack of it from other people. I have nearly been
t-boned several times this last week from people not stopping as they approach the road I am on.
So last night I went to Paradoxia0's house, but decided to walk. I saw loads of cars driving over the sensible speed and saw 3 'almost
accidents' of people just not slowing down for junctions.
Yes its slippery, but driven with care it can be safe enough.
Take care people
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Macbeast
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 01:28 PM |
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Well if there's a car or in the ditch every month or so maybe it's not all down to bad driving in snowy conditions.
I sometimes wonder if there are any locost builders who are not brilliantly expert drivers ( I'm not )
I'm addicted to brake fluid, but I can stop anytime.
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morcus
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 01:36 PM |
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That picture is quite funny.
To be fair I'd rather be sat behind someone going stupid low than infront of someone driving far too fast for the conditions. I'm
surprised that anyones surprised, you can't go out without seeing stupid and dangerous driving.
The governments way to solve it is to make driving tests harder, but that doesn't help because so many idiots have lisenses already.
So many People skive off in the snow now that I'm surprised people who don't know how to drive in snow or who are afraid of it bother.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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zilspeed
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 01:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Macbeast
Well if there's a car or in the ditch every month or so maybe it's not all down to bad driving in snowy conditions.
I sometimes wonder if there are any locost builders who are not brilliantly expert drivers ( I'm not )
That'll be me.
I'm at best a mediocre driver.
The problem is that for safety's sake, I drive slowly to prevent getting involved in the insanity that fills the roads these days. As a
consequence, I have nothing like enough practice in at driving briskly to be anything like good.
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Steve G
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 01:43 PM |
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This bloke managed to crash his 737 in the ice!!
link
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blakep82
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 01:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Macbeast
I sometimes wonder if there are any locost builders who are not brilliantly expert drivers ( I'm not )
i doubt most are, i think most like to think they are 
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matt_gsxr
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 01:54 PM |
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In surveys 80% of people believe that they are better than average drivers.
Not nice on a bicycle today this week.
Matt
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 02:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by matt_gsxr
In surveys 80% of people believe that they are better than average drivers.
Not nice on a bicycle today this week.
Matt
I passed someone on a mountain bike this morning trying to pedal through slush and with cars and trucks swerving round him. Seems a bit mad to be
using that tbh, my motor bike is in the garage as theirs no way I'd risk it on icy roads.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 02:15 PM |
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maybe he doesnt have a choice for getting around? I have a 10 mile cycle everyday regardless of weather, which currently means I have to be very
tentative.
Also, I have a road bike, not a mountain bike - I dream of having the amount of traction he was getting 
Craig
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morcus
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 02:18 PM |
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My boss got piles from riding his bike in the cold.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 02:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by morcus
My boss got piles from riding his bike in the cold.
I imagine it was the constipation that gave him piles
Craig
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oldtimer
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 02:49 PM |
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I cycled in this morning at -6 deg C and the conditions were horrible. Lots of ice, but atleast you see it at a slower speed.
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BenB
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 02:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
quote:
Originally posted by morcus
My boss got piles from riding his bike in the cold.
I imagine it was the constipation that gave him piles
It was probably the regular clenching
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se7en
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 03:13 PM |
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There are loads of people who believe that they are good drivers. When one sees their antics it is blatantly obvious that their idea of
'good' does not fit their driving.
I had to go with my daughter to the ferry to collect my son-in-law on the first day of the snow. She drove there - her first time driving in snow over
2" deep. She followed my instructions and said that it was much easier than she thought it would be. She said that she had thought that driving
in 3"+ would have been harder - that was until she seen the other numtys on the road. They were all over the show, even the ones in 4x4s. I
think that she realised that it was my instruction that was keeping her on the road and out of the ditches.
When I was much younger (a year or two back) when the weather was like present, there were men walking the streets scattering salt/grit on the roads
and pavements. You are lucky if you see a gritting lorry come anyway near the side streets.
Take it easy
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JoelP
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 03:22 PM |
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i believe everyone thinks they are a good driver because everyone drives to different targets. Some aim to never crash at all costs, and drive very
cautiously; others aim to get where they are going quickly, so always change lanes, hammer down side streets, jump queues, pull out in tight gaps
(must confess this is probably me); others might think they are good because they never leave their foglight on longer than needed, always spot
hazards early, adjust their headlight height to suit each road, read situations quick and well, ie experience and roadcraft.
You could call me crap as ive had 8 crashes and counting, but i can quite happily handbrake between parked cars. I think my friend is crap because he
drives like a lunatic on straights, but he still hesitates on roundabouts.
And then there are people who just dont think about how they are driving, and dont realise that all the horns and flashing lights are for them, but
think they are good because they've only scraped the gate post once.
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GMPMotorsport
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 03:23 PM |
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just as a matter of interest is that the turn off to Cranfield? if it is I have seen loads of cars in the ditch there, people belt down the straight
and forget about the junction!
www.gmpdevelopments.co.uk
www.gmpmotorsport.co.uk
ARDS Instructer.
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need4speed
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 04:13 PM |
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I was just going to say looks like the Cranfield airfield junction, my lad uses it every day.
Dave
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Toltec
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 04:32 PM |
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That picture does make you wonder about some drivers, particularly the second and third. If, as you say, they have a 1/3rd mile straight then they
should be able to see a car in the ditch. Does it not occur to them to wonder why it is there?
Given I have spent a fair amount of time and money on driver training and had my driving assessed I know I am above average.
Still did not stop me from nearly cocking up couple of days ago while out in the snow. 
None of us are perfect...
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gottabedone
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 04:36 PM |
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We regularly get into these rants about reps and bad driving but why is it always so bad.
My commute is 15k per year of which most is motorway. In this weather you definately try to leave sufficient thinking and braking distance and what?
- you have 3 vectras and Beemers ramming their way into your space. One flash of the indicator if you are lucky and no smooth action or finesse to be
seen. Everyone around them hits the brakes because no-one knows what they will do next - net result, the traffic all slows down for these people as
they don't know what's coming next.
It wouldn't surprise me if this is why there are 3 cars parked on top of each other in the pic above. A plush tintop owned by someone else with
aircon and satnav and some people are indestructable in any weather on any road.
rant over, drive carefully guys and may santa bring you lots of locost goodies!
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PAULD
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 04:48 PM |
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Yup, Cranfield junction. Probably students from somewhere sunny where they've never seen snow.
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Liam
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| posted on 23/12/09 at 04:58 PM |
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It is indeed the turning towards cranfield uni/airfield!
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