luke
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| posted on 2/1/10 at 11:48 PM |
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renault ad
anyone seen it yet?
claiming to release a range of 0 emmision cars from next year
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franky
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| posted on 2/1/10 at 11:56 PM |
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I know of a lot of them already are as they're always broken down
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bigpig
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 12:03 AM |
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I wonder if the advert is as accurate as the manufacturer who claimed they got all the energy out of every last drop of diesel.
Looking at their site, the Zoe ZE looks quite funky, the flatulence or what ever its called looks like a generic box on wheels and the other two look
a bit odd.
[Edited on 3/1/10 by bigpig]
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MK9R
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 12:04 AM |
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saw the ad yesterday, very interesting
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bigpig
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 12:14 AM |
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Its interesting that you buy the car but not the battery, which you then lease from an electric company.
The interesting thing is that if this takes off will be end up with petrol stations that do petrol, diesel, electric and hydrogen or will hydrogen be
pushed off for years or scrapped.
Its not like they will want a competing fuel system in just after spending millions setting up electric charging stations/quick drop.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 12:29 AM |
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saw the ad yesterday, car is quite cool but not sure if it will actually look like that when its available
more likely it will be a box on wheels 
[Edited on 3/1/10 by Mr Whippy]
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Madinventions
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 12:32 AM |
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I guess this kind of thinking must appeal to someone but I think I'd wait for a different manufacturer to get the technology right. In my
experience, Renault cannot build anything that works as advertised.
Also, the entire concept of zero emissions is somewhat preposterous until the wind farms are up and running in decent numbers and the energy no longer
comes from fossil fuelled power stations.
[Edited on 3/1/10 by Madinventions]
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luke
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 12:46 AM |
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they must mean direct emmisions, they cant guarantee that all energy used for the entire life of the car is used from renewable sources as they would
have to set up a second national grid only connected to renewable sources.
maybe thats what all that petrol tax is going to....
quote:
Originally posted by Madinventions
I guess this kind of thinking must appeal to someone but I think I'd wait for a different manufacturer to get the technology right. In my
experience, Renault cannot build anything that works as advertised.
Also, the entire concept of zero emissions is somewhat preposterous until the wind farms are up and running in decent numbers and the energy no longer
comes from fossil fuelled power stations.
[Edited on 3/1/10 by Madinventions]
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Madinventions
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 12:57 AM |
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Yeah, their Z.E. 'Commitment' does state that the car does not emit any CO2, so they do only mean direct emissions. I think my point
still stands though - you still need to get the energy from somewhere however efficient they claim their motor to be.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 04:04 AM |
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This has already been mentioned here, and as far as I'm concerned the sooner they get them out the better. Once they're on the road and
screwing up they can iron out the problems.
I don't see a problem with "leasing" the batteries, but that cost would have to come with the replacement at the charging station. I
wonder if you can charge them at home too.
Even got a linky
Everyone's going to say it's just passing the problem on to power stations, however that means the scientists can concentrate on making
one thing produce less emissions rather than two
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morcus
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 07:16 AM |
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If you could develop a battery system that could be charged quickly, and a system where the batteries aren't owned directly, you can get over
the charge time problem by having lots of spares charging at battery stations and just swap them around.
If they do stick to the time scale it would be an impressive feat, a major manufacturer with a range of said vehicles. only time will tell.
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 08:21 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bigpig
the flatulence or what ever its called looks like a generic box on wheels
Dont all Renaults?
I shouldnt have said that, ive got a renault engine in the kit car! - Itll hate me for saying that!
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 08:27 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by morcus
If you could develop a battery system that could be charged quickly, and a system where the batteries aren't owned directly, you can get over
the charge time problem by having lots of spares charging at battery stations and just swap them around.
If they do stick to the time scale it would be an impressive feat, a major manufacturer with a range of said vehicles. only time will tell.
The biggest problem with Batteries, is that with constant charging and discharging, they deteriorate.
Batteries are also non-environmentally friendly, so its a false economy really. The energy used in producing, charging and recycling batteries is just
as much if not more than a tank of fuel - but im sure the idiots at the government realise that....
Batteries (in UPS systems at least) are manufactured and designed to last for five years, need to be kept between 19 and 23 degrees C, levels checked
(only for Lead Acid, lots are Gel or maintenance free nowadays) and cycled when left on trickle charge.
I wouldnt want to see a billto replace the batteries on a car every five years.......
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
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Ivan
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 08:55 AM |
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I'm still a huge sceptic when it comes to electric cars - I think they will turn out to be just as bad for the environment in the long run as
fossil fuel powered cars because of the environmental costs of power generation, power transmission, battery manufacture, battery transport and
battery disposal. Also the increased demand for Alluminium and Copper for cabling will have a significant impact.
Also - what sort of power connection and battery storage fascillities will a busy servces station that currently re-feuls say 60 to 100 cars or more
an hour need? The mind boggles at the capital costs and environmental footprint of somthing like that every 10 kilometers or so down busy National
roads.
The world would be much better served by improved public transport initiatives.
Although I hate to say it given the quality of driving and vehicle maintenance we experience in SA, our Combi taxi service must be one of the most
environmentaly friendly and efficient public transport systems around per passenger mile and is easily tailored to meet any new passenger route
requirements and if properly funded and subsidised could become an example for the world to follow in achieving significantly reduced fuel usage and
traffic volumes.
[Edited on 3/1/10 by Ivan]
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StevieB
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 09:24 AM |
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The problem I see with these cars is that they're too much of an advance on a well established product.
If you invent a new product that no-ones ever used (for example, when the car was first invented), you can do what you want. But once somthing is
established and used globally, you can't then make a radical alteration to how it is used.
For this reason, I still think the Honda FCX Clarity has the advmtage with it's hydrogen fuel cell - it drives like a car as we know it, looks
like one and you fill it up like any other normal car. It works because you don't have to do anything different, but it only emits wtare
vapour.
The only problem is developing an efficient solution for producing Hydrogen and distibuting it. As stated earlier in the thread, this is the sort of
problem that is ironed out by widespread use and demand - if you suddenly need lots of hydrogen and there's profit in it, you'll find the
big companies put their efforts into being the first to crack it.
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big-vee-twin
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 10:36 AM |
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The main advantage of using electricity is that the distribution system is already in place, every one already has it. No need to build a new
system.
When the nuclear power stations are built then there will be zero carbon emissions.
The main issue is that in the rush to zero carbon emissions other environmental issues are getting ignored - batteries are an environmental disaster
so is the low energy bulb, although there is and argument that says mining operations are damaging locally they don't kill the planet.
Personally can't wait to see them - bear in mind that Renault will be buying in the battery and motor technology not making it.
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bigpig
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 11:32 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
quote:
Originally posted by bigpig
the flatulence or what ever its called looks like a generic box on wheels
Dont all Renaults?
I shouldnt have said that, ive got a renault engine in the kit car! - Itll hate me for saying that!
I'm sure it will eat the crank for saying that later 
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bigpig
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 11:38 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big-vee-twin
When the nuclear power stations are built then there will be zero carbon emissions.
Its a pitty we nearly wiped out the UK nuclear industry in the 90s by selling off the leccy industry and not pushing dry modular storage for waste.
It'll be great if the car works, but as you say the environmental impact of production is being ignored for point of use. IIRC the Toyota Pious
isn't exactly the most environmentally friendly car in the world. I think it was in the press that they reduced their environmental impact by
60% in production, but it seemed to co-incide with outsourcing 60% of the car's production too.
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 12:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bigpig
quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
quote:
Originally posted by bigpig
the flatulence or what ever its called looks like a generic box on wheels
Dont all Renaults?
I shouldnt have said that, ive got a renault engine in the kit car! - Itll hate me for saying that!
I'm sure it will eat the crank for saying that later
It probably will with the turbo's help!
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
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:{THC}:YosamiteSam
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 04:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big-vee-twin
The main advantage of using electricity is that the distribution system is already in place, every one already has it. No need to build a new
system.
When the nuclear power stations are built then there will be zero carbon emissions.
The main issue is that in the rush to zero carbon emissions other environmental issues are getting ignored - batteries are an environmental disaster
so is the low energy bulb, although there is and argument that says mining operations are damaging locally they don't kill the planet.
Personally can't wait to see them - bear in mind that Renault will be buying in the battery and motor technology not making it.
However I am a fan of Renault as you can see in my Avatar.
renault isnt buying in the batteries - but making them - where - sunderland! the nissan plant - along side the new electric car the leaf
the batteries need to be hired because of disposal problems - do you think jo blogs can do it safely - or would be relied to do it safely? they would
also be too expensive to buy.
there is currently plans to install charging points at strategic places (ie supermarkets etc) its an ongoing thing with councils etc
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 3/1/10 at 05:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big-vee-twin
The main advantage of using electricity is that the distribution system is already in place, every one already has it. No need to build a new
system.
This is not really true, the current electricity distribution system hasn't got an awful lot of margin, and your average 13 Amp outlet is going
to take a long time to recharge the size of batteries used in a car. If electric cars start to become popular the current distribution system simply
would not cope without considerable upgrades.
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