mangogrooveworkshop
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 01:39 PM |
|
|
Vosa and the mini brigade
Reading in some mini press how vosa have been tugging some radicly modded minis.
Seems they trawl the forums and adverts running checks on the reg details.....
Seems a few lost the historic reg and landed up with a q after an iva biva inspection.
So if your registration is a ford focus and its on a robin hood watch out.. Or it looks mini and has the arse cut out with a bec stuck in it dont
advertise the fact....vosa might be lurking.
One mod outlined was the transmission tunnel / bulkhead musnt be modified....presume thats to stop the bec rear wheel drive mod with a front
engine...
Sneaky barstewards....
|
|
|
|
|
Lars
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 01:55 PM |
|
|
think that's fair enough
should reduce the number of ringers on ebay
|
|
|
Jon Ison
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 01:58 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Lars
think that's fair enough
should reduce the number of ringers on ebay
I fully agree if your referring to the ford focus/robin hood line, but not so sure about chucking an engine in the back of a mini bit ?
|
|
|
eznfrank
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 02:04 PM |
|
|
I understand them wanting to do it from a safety view point but taking the reg of them is a bit tight!!
|
|
|
Mark Allanson
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 02:05 PM |
|
|
There has to be checks on all conversions, all it would need is one high profile accident and all conversions and kits could be banned like some other
EU countries.
We have all done SVA/IVA, why should others be 'exempt'
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
|
|
|
Lars
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 02:10 PM |
|
|
i think any car that get radically changed should get checked over by someone (I am not talking about an engine change or upgrading of parts)
TBH I don't know much about mini's so could not comment
I am, probably of the contraversial view, that SVA/IVA, while it has some strange rules, is generally a good idea. As it keeps some of the really
badly put together (read unsafe) cars of the road.
And I do not see why a substantial change of a car should be different.
All IMO, and as said I know nothing about minis
|
|
|
hillbillyracer
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 02:40 PM |
|
|
Some Minis are now radically modded, putting a Vauxhall 20XE in a mk2 Escort is one thing but putting one in a Mini which entails radically
re-engineering the front subframe or making a new one altogether is totally different, front engine RWD & rear engined stuff is common too, more
so with bike engines.
I do think seriously modded stuff should have checks, & if it really is'nt the same car any more then lose the reg too. But to have the full
IVA to do just because you've widened the tunnel on a RWD car & used a different gearbox is wrong.
I think there should be a different test for such cars where only the modifications get tested, if it's a stock part from the original car then
it should be exempt from the test.
|
|
|
Lars
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 02:51 PM |
|
|
quote:
I do think seriously modded stuff should have checks, & if it really is'nt the same car any more then lose the reg too. But to have the full
IVA to do just because you've widened the tunnel on a RWD car & used a different gearbox is wrong.
I think there should be a different test for such cars where only the modifications get tested, if it's a stock part from the original car then
it should be exempt from the test.
fully agree.
did not mean to say that all cars should have a full IVA,
|
|
|
se7en
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 03:20 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by eznfrank
I understand them wanting to do it from a safety view point but taking the reg of them is a bit tight!!
... but the registration was obtained falsely so why should they be allowed to keep it. 
|
|
|
coozer
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 03:56 PM |
|
|
So, what about all the mint old skool Escorts that have been turreted, or had big tunnels, arches, type 49 additions or rebuilt with 85% brand new
panels?
In my view they should need IVA under the current rules and than they would lose there historic reg's.
Not just 'scorts, but anything that's been rebuild from the ground up and modded to death, VW campers? Hot rods?
Can of worms IMO. Just a revenue generator as well.
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
|
|
|
MikeRJ
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 03:58 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by hillbillyracer
Some Minis are now radically modded, putting a Vauxhall 20XE in a mk2 Escort is one thing but putting one in a Mini which entails radically
re-engineering the front subframe or making a new one altogether is totally different, front engine RWD & rear engined stuff is common too, more
so with bike engines.
I thought as long as the monocoque was not altered you were ok for SVA/IVA?
The transmission tunnel is certainly part of a monocoque however, so I don't see how that should be exempt from modifications, but a subframe
isn't.
[Edited on 16/5/10 by MikeRJ]
|
|
|
iank
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 04:19 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by hillbillyracer
Some Minis are now radically modded, putting a Vauxhall 20XE in a mk2 Escort is one thing but putting one in a Mini which entails radically
re-engineering the front subframe or making a new one altogether is totally different, front engine RWD & rear engined stuff is common too, more
so with bike engines.
I thought as long as the monocoque was not altered you were ok for SVA/IVA?
The transmission tunnel is certainly part of a monocoque however, so I don't see how that should be exempt from modifications, but a subframe
isn't.
[Edited on 16/5/10 by MikeRJ]
Not read the magazine, but my understanding is that bulkhead/tunnel mods both of which are part of the monocoque are now interpreted as significant
and require IVA. Subframe mods/replacement are still IVA free as they aren't part of the chassis.
Problem is a lot of people mod the bulkhead in addition to changing the subframe so will be falling foul of the regs. Weber conversions on the
A-series that have a bulkhead box will also fall foul.
I think, personally, there should be scope for a 'mini IVA' that just checks those items that have been changed at a pro-rata cost. Seems
unfair that the BL heater lever, steering wheel and switch-gear are going to be treated as IVA fails while being deemed perfectly acceptable for an
untouched examples of the same car.
I suspect the magazine articles are now going to start reading 'a previous owner cut the bulkhead many years ago which was very convenient to my
changes...'
--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
|
|
|
MikeRJ
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 06:46 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by iank
I suspect the magazine articles are now going to start reading 'a previous owner cut the bulkhead many years ago which was very convenient to my
changes...'
|
|
|
ashg
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 06:47 PM |
|
|
I happen to know an iva/vosa inspector. he is into minis and is a regular on the forums. vosa are well aware of lcb and various other forums. lets
just say its easier to do it properly than get caught out.
Anything With Tits or Wheels Will cost you MONEY!!
Haynes Roadster (Finished)
Exocet (Finished & Sold)
New Project (Started)
|
|
|
mangogrooveworkshop
|
| posted on 16/5/10 at 06:56 PM |
|
|
It was an inspector who told me about reg checks they ran using a kitcar mag and found the robin hood with a focus reg!
There was an MK indy up our being sold with mini seven V5 registration document.
What vosa have cottoned on to is the z car minis with the whole rear cut out and a bike engine and sub frame put there still running the original reg.
|
|
|
